Coronavirus

[Ian4]

So no numbers or data to support your statement? What has been the real outcome of this lack of haste and spine? Or is it just a vibe thing?

If she had locked down for a week from around June 23, this would be over by now (or close to being over). the super spreader party that infected 24 of 30 people would not have gone ahead to begin with.

The reason why she didn't lockdown earlier, had nothing to do with health advice, but because she "didn’t wanna be like Victoria" and because they had allegedly “done well handling it in the past.” She put ego and ideology ahead of health, and now they are paying the price.

I will add that one of the major differences between NSW and other states is that the CHO/CMO makes the finals call on health advice in the other states… because this decision is supposed to be independent and free from political interference. In NSW the Health Minister actually has the final say. This goes a long way towards explaining why NSW has handled COVID differently from the other states.

Gladys set to extend the NSW lockdown. I take no joy from this but you do wonder if she'd locked down faster like other states whether this would be required.

an extra week wont be enough. their 7 day average is about 25. they can't end lockdown until they get down that to around 5. that is impossible to achieve in a week.

 

[MD Jazz]

If she had locked down for a week from around June 23, this would be over by now (or close to being over). the super spreader party that infected 24 of 30 people would not have gone ahead to begin with.

The reason why she didn't lockdown earlier, had nothing to do with health advice, but because she "didn’t wanna be like Victoria" and because they had allegedly “done well handling it in the past.” She put ego and ideology ahead of health, and now they are paying the price.

I will add that one of the major differences between NSW and other states is that the CHO/CMO makes the finals call on health advice in the other states… because this decision is supposed to be independent and free from political interference. In NSW the Health Minister actually has the final say. This goes a long way towards explaining why NSW has handled COVID differently from the other states.



an extra week wont be enough. their 7 day average is about 25. they can't end lockdown until they get down that to around 5. that is impossible to achieve in a week.

You know these things for fact?

Currently 6 cases in ICU in NSW none on ventiliation. 66 deaths in total for NSW from covid. Almost 2000 in VIC.

NSW have handled it differently. With better outcomes. Rather than political posturing why isn't there some analysis on why their outcomes are better? Reading some of the comments on here about the way NSW have handled it you'd think they'd killed thousands. Raging at their activity. Complaints about lockdown lite in NSW yet it appears to be coming under control? Is it luck? Outdoor lifestyle? What can we learn from it? Whingeing about them flocking to the beach. Seriously?

Ultimately this outbreak will increase vaccination rates in NSW and hopefully across the country as it has here in VIC which will be a good outcome.

 

[Brodders17]

Dumb luck hey? Thanks for the response Ian

If you want to have a conversation with Ian do it via PM, but yes luck has certainly played a part in every states success or otherwise. But credit to NSW, that have made the most of the luck they have had.

 

[mrposhman]

You know these things for fact?

Currently 6 cases in ICU in NSW none on ventiliation. 66 deaths in total for NSW from covid. Almost 2000 in VIC.

Come on MD, don't make *smile* up, you are better than that. VIC has had 820 deaths, nowhere near 2000

 

[MD Jazz]

Come on MD, don't make *smile* up, you are better than that. VIC has had 820 deaths, nowhere near 2000

COVID-19 reporting

This page provides update on national COVID-19 spread, vaccination and treatment metrics.

www.health.gov.au

Apologies, you are correct, was looking at the wrong number from the above. Poor form. It shows 655 deaths there.

 

[Brodders17]

You know these things for fact?

Sorry to butt in again, but the NSW government has stated numerous times the lockdown has saved case numbers from sky rocketing, so isnt it reasonable to assume that if the lockdown had of started earlier case numbers would be substantially lower? and if numbers were substantially lower wouldnt the NSW be looking to lift the lockdown if they hadnt already?

 

[Brodders17]

'It's obscene': NSW Health apologises after Catholic school boys receive Pfizer jabs in 'error'

NSW Health has apologised after an "error" saw Pfizer COVID-19 vaccines administered to boarders at a prestigious Sydney Catholic school, despite most students in Australia not being eligible.

www.abc.net.au

While the NSW complains about not enough vaccines they are giving jabs to elite private school kids. Gold standard.

 

[MD Jazz]

Sorry to butt in again, but the NSW government has stated numerous times the lockdown has saved case numbers from sky rocketing, so isnt it reasonable to assume that if the lockdown had of started earlier case numbers would be substantially lower? and if numbers were substantially lower wouldnt the NSW be looking to lift the lockdown if they hadnt already?

I was referring to the bolded parts of Ian's post which I think are his thoughts not direct quotes from Gladys? Of course its logical to assume if you lockdown earlier you get a quicker reduction. Is "Sky Rocketing" an accurate term to use for 35 cases?

she "didn’t wanna be like Victoria" ” She put ego and ideology ahead of health, and now they are paying the price

What is this price they are paying?

 

[tigerman]

'It's obscene': NSW Health apologises after Catholic school boys receive Pfizer jabs in 'error'

NSW Health has apologised after an "error" saw Pfizer COVID-19 vaccines administered to boarders at a prestigious Sydney Catholic school, despite most students in Australia not being eligible.

www.abc.net.au

While the NSW complains about not enough vaccines they are giving jabs to elite private school kids. Gold standard.

I wonder how many politicians children go to the college.

 

[Tigers of Old]

On the back of 27 cases today, the media coming after Golden Gladys now after the announcement of another week of lockdown.
Feds have cut off jobkeeper & businesses & employees are screaming for support.
Maybe if she'd locked down earlier this wouldn't be happening..but no she knew better.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1412577157147095041

14 cases were infected in the community...

 

[BT Tiger]

Its unfair to pin the 800 deaths to Victoria alone, the federal government must shoulder a significant part of the blame for the lack of preparedness of aged care facilities, where 80% of these deaths occurred! Zero deaths in any state government run facilities.

Also in retrospect, 12 months ago we knew nothing about this virus and how it spread. Remember how they thought a cigarette lighter shared by hotel security was largely to blame? Hand washing and sanitizing was presumed to be the best way to prevent transmission and we've since done a 180 and masks are the number one form of PPE.

If we had this knowledge 12 months ago then we could have handled it better and there would have been far fewer deaths so there's no doubt Victoria was simply unlucky and this could have easily occurred in any other states hotel quarantine program.

What is this price they are paying?

Lockdowns definitely comes with a cost to the economy so that's the price they're paying.

 

[Ian4]

she "didn’t wanna be like Victoria" ” She put ego and ideology ahead of health, and now they are paying the price

What is this price they are paying?

I wasn't quoting Gladys, it was a reference to the divisive politics the NSW and federal govt’s have been playing over COVID. When Victoria was locked down few weeks ago, Gladys had a pot shot at Victoria over lockdowns. So when NSW had their outbreak, how would she have looked had she locked down as quick as we do here? Double standards, right? So she held off as long as possible… which was too late to stop a much bigger outbreak.

As I said, she is playing politics over peoples health and the people of NSW should be outraged.

14 cases were infected in the community...

If they were locked down properly, that 14 would be close to 0 by now. their numbers will not be reducing any time soon.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Brad Hazzard saying if they don't get on top of it then we just may have to accept it's part of the community.
No Brad if that happens, you & Glady's failed & will always own the virus in the Australian community. Victoria ran it to ground as did other states.
Gold standard? You can't polish a *smile*.

 

[pete and tys]

Re NSW...CHO stated this...
14 out of 37 in hospital are under age 55 !
A further 8 in hospital are under the age of 35!
2 people in ICU on ventilators.

It is a fallacy to think this is just a flu and just a condition that affects the elderly.
Young people get it and young people can die.
The death is by asphyxia / hypoxia and cardiac arrest.......anyone here think that is nice?

 

[caesar]

I found this article regarding effectiveness of vaccines interesting and is some cases worrying:

In Indonesia, where Sinovac is also leading the country’s immunisation rollout, at least 10 of the 26 doctors who died in June of COVID were fully vaccinated.

How well do China’s Sinovac and Sinopharm vaccines work?

A quick guide to the other vaccines on the market – and what they mean for global protection.

www.theage.com.au

 

[mrposhman]

On the back of 27 cases today, the media coming after Golden Gladys now after the announcement of another week of lockdown.
Feds have cut off jobkeeper & businesses & employees are screaming for support.
Maybe if she'd locked down earlier this wouldn't be happening..but no she knew better.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1412577157147095041

14 cases were infected in the community...

So despite a 2 week lockdown, their gold standard contact tracing still has not got all primary and secondary contacts in isolation?? So they are happy that 13 cases were in isolation, great, what about the 7 that were notified part way through, and 7 that presumably were not even notified by contact tracers to isolate. If thats the case, then the week extension will not be enough.

I know people have bagged our Victorias contact tracers, but correct me if I'm wrong, but after a week of lockdown this last time, we perhaps had 1 or 2 per day (some days with none) that were not already in isolation. 2 weeks down and Sydney are still having significant numbers that contact tracers haven't got to.

 

[mrposhman]

I found this article regarding effectiveness of vaccines interesting and is some cases worrying:

In Indonesia, where Sinovac is also leading the country’s immunisation rollout, at least 10 of the 26 doctors who died in June of COVID were fully vaccinated.

How well do China’s Sinovac and Sinopharm vaccines work?

A quick guide to the other vaccines on the market – and what they mean for global protection.

www.theage.com.au

Would you trust Chinas vaccines?? We would never know how effective they were in China as the coverup would be so easy for them.

 

[Ian4]

So despite a 2 week lockdown, their gold standard contact tracing still has not got all primary and secondary contacts in isolation?? So they are happy that 13 cases were in isolation, great, what about the 7 that were notified part way through, and 7 that presumably were not even notified by contact tracers to isolate. If thats the case, then the week extension will not be enough.

I know people have bagged our Victorias contact tracers, but correct me if I'm wrong, but after a week of lockdown this last time, we perhaps had 1 or 2 per day (some days with none) that were not already in isolation. 2 weeks down and Sydney are still having significant numbers that contact tracers haven't got to.

so this "Claytons lockdown" is really affecting them in a negative way.

 

[Sintiger]

So despite a 2 week lockdown, their gold standard contact tracing still has not got all primary and secondary contacts in isolation?? So they are happy that 13 cases were in isolation, great, what about the 7 that were notified part way through, and 7 that presumably were not even notified by contact tracers to isolate. If thats the case, then the week extension will not be enough.

I know people have bagged our Victorias contact tracers, but correct me if I'm wrong, but after a week of lockdown this last time, we perhaps had 1 or 2 per day (some days with none) that were not already in isolation. 2 weeks down and Sydney are still having significant numbers that contact tracers haven't got to.

This is the myth about contact tracing. It is not just about having a good system it also relies to some extent on people being honest ( where have you gone, who have you been in contact with) but also all the systems and resources get to a point where volume overwhelms the contact tracers.
Victoria had its problems and still does but I don't care how good the system is there is a point where it can't cope and that means that the time between the contact and the tracers finding out about it is too long, the damage is already done. There is also an element of lying and forgetfulness that cannot be completely eliminated but can be alleviated by QR codes etc.

 

[Tigers of Old]

This is the myth about contact tracing. It is not just about having a good system it also relies to some extent on people being honest ( where have you gone, who have you been in contact with) but also all the systems and resources get to a point where volume overwhelms the contact tracers.
Victoria had its problems and still does but I don't care how good the system is there is a point where it can't cope and that means that the time between the contact and the tracers finding out about it is too long, the damage is already done. There is also an element of lying and forgetfulness that cannot be completely eliminated but can be alleviated by QR codes etc.

That's why strong leadership & strict rules are also required.
Glady's wishy washy approach has developed a culture in NSW where it's citizens don't really take this pandemic all that seriously.
The language of leadership matters. Now her stubborn arrogance sees her chasing her tail.