I say good appointment, better than a faceless bureaucrat. No different to Vic appointing the public transport bloke as head of testing, right man as it turns out. You look for problems that don't exist.
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No need to be so cynical, MD, nine months from now Albo will be in the Lodge and all will be rectified Post haste. He has really lifted his postive leadership in the last fortnight, calmly pointing out the deficiencies in the vaccine rollout. This will be a drovers dog elelection.
So you are prepared to push people to get vaccines when the risk is greater for them by taking the vaccine than the virus itself?? Wow. So you are prepared to prioritise older peoples lives over those that are younger?
For me as an example, I am a single dad with 2 kids. Why would I expose myself to a vaccine that could either make me seriously ill or die (and therefore leave my kids without a father) just because the government have completely stuffed up the vaccine rollout?
Its a good point. Do you value number lives protected or expected years protected? You can’t have both. I’m in the expected years protected camp but by default that means a kids life is worth more than an adults. You can make emotional arguments for either case
Also there are other factors such as the impact to others quality of life (such as kids who lose a parent) that are even harder to measure / factor in.
pandemics clearly trade negatives vs other negatives and makes it difficult to have debate. I think you can debate how you make decisions pretty rationally though.
Risk is relative. It's probably riskier when I let my 13yo go out with his mates unsupervised. Definitely risker when they start dabbling in pills when they get older. No doubt riskier when he gets a licence.
Would I prefer m y boys not partake in risky activities, of course. Can I stop them, not really.
But back to the vaccine. My 13yo is booked, the 11yo is counting down the days to his birthday so he can get vaccinated. Why? The hope is that being vaccinated means they'll be allowed to soon fly and visit both sets of grandparents while they still can. They haven't seen them in nearly two years now.
Was I pushing people? No, I don't believe I was.
I was saying that there is an equation that takes into account other people as well as those who take the vaccine and their individual risk factors. That should also be (and is) considered by epidemiologists and health policy experts.
Currently I'm working with a number of teams in Indonesia remotely. Two deaths from covid in their extended families in the last week. Hospitals are running out of oxygen now. We are lucky here in Australia that the chance of dying from Covid is tiny, and the chance of dying from blood clots is almost as tiny. Almost everyone in Indonesia would take AZ today if they could get it, not just for themselves but because they see their beloved family members dying.
We have the luxury of picking and choosing, others don't. And your position is completely fine - wait for Pfizer if you are concerned about the chances of dying from blood clots.
I agree its relative to the position in the specific country.
My family all live in the UK, they've all had the vaccine whether that be AZ or Pfizer, and as you say (similar to Indonesia) they have a greater risk of Covid.
My risk of dying in Covid in Australia is next to none, so for me the logic of taking AZ is non existent. I lost my mum at a young age to cancer and whilst I didn't think it did at the time, the loss of my mum hit me really hard and impacted the way I lived my life for the next 10-15 years. Whilst I could get cancer tomorrow, I'm not sure of the logic to increasing my risk of imposing this on my girls.
Its a real shame, as we are very lucky in Australia, and we have done well at controlling Covid, but its such a shame that the Feds have completely stuffed the vaccine programme. We could have been in probably the strongest position of all countries in the world, had the Feds actually provided a source of various vaccines.
I'm in a similar situation. All my family are overseas, I'd love for the kids to go overseas. We are actually planning to go to the UK next year (Easter) for my brothers wedding, but with the current situation I doubt we can go. Not necessarily due to not taking vaccines, but more to do with the lack of available flights back. If I can't guarantee that I can return to Australia then I won't go. Too much impact on the kids education if they can't get back to Australia, or if I leave them here and go by myself, then I run the risk of not seeing them for an unknown amount of time.
Last time my kids saw their grandparents is similar to yours. We went to the UK for Christmas 2019.
Yeah, last time my boys saw their Australian grandparents, and that was only a few hours, was 28th September 2019
Yes, I did the single dad thing for many years too Posh, so understand your priorities. I was lucky that my mother and father were long-lived, so can appreciate that you don't want your girls to experience losing a parent too young.
come on mate, were you born yesterday? it gives the government a scapegoat to blame for the slow rollout.
you know what the scary thing is? I can actually see Gladys ending the lockdown irrespective of the numbers over the next 3 days. She has proven to be cocky and reckless.
It also plays into the militarisation of everything that the SloMo government thinks makes them look strong and "defending" us.
cocky because she claims to have done well in the past, and expects this run to continue. and reckless because she has proven to be too slow to act in the past and too scared to make the hard calls.
So no numbers or data to support your statement? What has been the real outcome of this lack of haste and spine? Or is it just a vibe thing?
I think NSW have handled their luck well so far, but you could argue that nearly every state was effected by NSW slow response to this outbreak, as nearly every other state had a case come from NSW.
i think his plan it to load an ak47 with pziser and go over the top, then give everyone shot a scratchy.
optics.
see the epaulets?
wait till china invade and Dr Norman Swan is mister resonsible for army tanks
Gladys set to extend the NSW lockdown. I take no joy from this but you do wonder if she'd locked down faster like other states whether this would be required.
