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Still an Indian strain. Kappa is India A and delta is India B.
This was the family that travelled to NSW and is otherwise unrelated to the lockdown outbreak.
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Taken in isolation; Ive got no problem with our Govt haggling for value for my tax dollar with a giant Pharma company.
but its not in isolation. the LNP shovel tax money to their mates constantly. They sell the Murray River to their big cotton mates for $x, and buy it back dry for $5x.
so you cant be part-time prudent
like an Inverse Robin Hood.
If Angus Taylor, or Joe Hockey had a stake in Pfizer, they'de have been trying to decimultiply the price.
like they do buying French sub-marines, or offshore refugee processing contracts
Yeah.
There's a time when you haggle, and a time when you say "lockdowns and a closed economy will cost several orders of magnitude more than buying some fracking vaccines"
I read that the vaccination roll-out is costing 4.8 billion, cost to the economy so far from lockdowns alone is 160 billion.
Wasn't it a decision of national cabinet?
None of them appear to have played a long game, although what politician does.
Scientists find no evidence strain is fast-moving ‘beast’
There is no epidemiological evidence this virus is moving faster or spreading in novel ways to previous strains. So why are we being told it is?
The LNP are generally the party of fear mongering. Vic labour staking their claim?
But what have the states on that National Cabinet been presenting to Morrison and requesting.... for...what....12 months or more now ?
There is the virus (SARS-CoV-2). And the disease (COVID-19).
No vaccine will protect you against getting the virus.
The percentages are how effective the vaccine is in stopping the virus progressing to the disease.
60% (AZ two doses) is not exactly going to allow people to be foot loose and fancy-free.
60% immunity gets you pretty close to herd immunity and a big reduction in R0. Combine with boosters and other vaccines and you are just about done. It will at least allow you to open the economy and stop lockdowns.
Yeah I know all that.
What I mean is, per your third line, what is the symptomatic level of effectiveness once in disease state. In other words if it is saying that you have a 60% chance of developing no symptoms, then if so, what does it mean in terms of those other 40% i.e. will their disease or symptoms be minor, moderate, chronic, fatal ?
What's the effectiveness of the vaccines thereafter symptomatic development ? e.g. if 90% of the remaining 40% only develop minor cold like symptoms then people will be foot loose and fancy free.
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Yes, and vaccines do actually prevent you from getting the virus in the collective sense. Vaccines reduce contagiousness of the virus as well as symptoms. That means less people catch it even if they are unvaccinated or vaccines are less effective for them.
I don't know - what have they been requesting for more than 12 months?
Do the minutes of these meetings get communicated? If premiers had been asking for national quarantine for 12 months couldn't they just point to the national cabinet meetings and say they (ie the feds) don't listen to me?
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I don't know whether the vaccine helps you at all if the virus progresses to full-blown disease. I suspect not.
I would think a vaccine would precisely help you if it develops to a full blown disease. After all, a vaccine is a heads-up to you immune system on how to combat the virus.
In any case,from what I have read, the vaccines are very good at preventing serious cases of COVID.
DS
In any case,from what I have read, the vaccines are very good at preventing serious cases of COVID.
DS
I got a typhoid vaccination, and caught typhoid 6 months later.
I couldn't tell you what brand it was? It wasn't a smorgasbord-type situation then.
I assume it was some dead typhoid bits blended up with some chimp plasma?
the doc reckoned if I hadn't had the jab,
instead of spewing and shitting 20-odd kg explosively for a fortnight, with my brain pushing on my skull,
I'd have carked it, and missed the 2017 premiership for eternity.
I dont think its unusual for a vaccine to prevent death.
I couldn't tell you what brand it was? It wasn't a smorgasbord-type situation then.
I assume it was some dead typhoid bits blended up with some chimp plasma?
the doc reckoned if I hadn't had the jab,
instead of spewing and shitting 20-odd kg explosively for a fortnight, with my brain pushing on my skull,
I'd have carked it, and missed the 2017 premiership for eternity.
I dont think its unusual for a vaccine to prevent death.
Seems to be fine for being foot loose and fancy-free with the flu jab which I think is about 40%.
The point is that many fewer people will progress to that acute, life threatening covid. I'm not sure what the medical term is for "full blown" and what the distinction is. Maybe Sin or someone could help us on that.
Against 'normal' COVID they are much more effective (I've read 89%/86% for Pfizer/AZ after one jab). Against the Indian varieties they struggle, particularly delta.
