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LeeToRainesToRoach said:
Against 'normal' COVID they are much more effective (I've read 89%/86% for Pfizer/AZ after one jab). Against the Indian varieties they struggle, particularly delta.
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From what I've read, they are still doing the research on that. There is some evidence that there is a lower amount of measurable antibodies, but that doesn't necessarily mean lower efficacy.

Kappa died out in India, interesting that Delta is the problem in the UK now.

Reading the stuff from the UK, the conclusion is that Delta has a higher R0, and that means it is even more important to have both doses of the vaccine as they know that cuts transmission. They are concerned that higher rates of transmission could lead to the NHS being overwhelmed again.

www.standard.co.uk

Pfizer jab recipients have lower antibodies targeting Indian variant

People who have had the Pfizer vaccine have lower antibody levels targeting the Indian variant, also known as Delta, than those against previously circulating variants in the UK, new data suggests.
www.standard.co.uk www.standard.co.uk

The conclusion - as always - is get vaccinated. Roll out the vaccination program more quickly.
 
Had my first AZ jab this arvo. Feel okay so far but I keep getting prank calls from some Yank who calls himself Bill.
 
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AngryAnt said:
that's normal, in a few days the chip will do its work and Bill will give you instructions subliminally.
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Mmmm. Some bloke with a Chinese accent keeps calling as well. Couldn't quite catch his name; Shee, Zee, something like that.
 
Ridley said:
Had my first AZ jab this arvo. Feel okay so far but I keep getting prank calls from some Yank who calls himself Bill.
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Surprised he's calling. The messages should just appearing in your head. You're not wearing a tinfoil hat are you ?
 
There’s been several articles stating that the vaccines both have very high effectiveness where both mortality AND hospitalisation due to serious illness is concerned. That tells you that the vaccines, besides having a disease prevention rate (60% in the case of AZ), also have a role to play where developing illness or hopefully lack thereof is concerned.

Question is, what is it ? It’s really important because a lot of people would, maybe rightly, say “Ah 60% is shithouse... what’s the point of getting vaxxed ?” when it might be an 80% rate for mortality prevention or higher for hospitalisation, both of which is critical knowledge to have and therefore getting people motivated to get vaxxed.

They must have that data.
 
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As I have said folks..from 40 years experience...the vaccines will be wonderfully effective.
Ignore the nonsense arguements about percent effectiveness, this is theoretical.
You will be wonderfully protected and will not die if vaccinated. At worst you will get a mild case and your pre primed immune system will deal with it.
I have seen the odd person get the flu having been vaccinated, but never seen a severe or lethal case.
People who are not vaccinated will get covid when it enters the country. Too bad. You were warned.
Herd immunity it is a bit of nonsense. We are individuals with an individual immune response.
Herd immunity means less chance of contact with the virus, but a full dose when you do contact it, if not vaccinated.
There is absolutely no, zero, arguement for not being vaccinated. Idiotic ill informed or downright stupid people are trying to hijack sensible behaviour..why...because the human race is full of f-wits.
So...no further discussion. Get vaccinated or go back to your hole.
We will need re vaccination ,like the flu, due to mutations....see C Darwin...or pray if you are too dogmatic to see.
As our friend in Denmark informed us, covid passports will be the future..as they should be.
Those who are too selfish or too stupid can bugger off and deal with what the virus gives them.
Bye the way...young people, pregnant women and healthy adults die from it too.
Stop resisting..just get vaccinated and then relax.
 
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LeeToRainesToRoach said:
Pretty sure the figures are based on early observations. A lot more data to come in yet.
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Yes and I expect the results to get better with time, but honestly don't rate them.
Those of us who have lived a long time have seen statistics, records, opinions and all manner of advice come and go...in the end much of it is nonsense and nothing beats experience and common sense.
PS.. thanks LTRTR for all your figures and historical detail. Much appreciated.
 
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Had my jab at lunch time. All good thus far.
 
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