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Later on in that "inquiry", he also tried to absolve himself of any responsibility or accountability for the program.

He effectively said that the person that chairs a committee (National Cabinet in this instance) of any sorts is responsible for any final decision being made. He said he knew this because he has chaired plenty of committees. He added the remarks as an additional unrequested comment after seeming to have previously finished his statement to the question asked by the "inquirer".
Yes, the federal government, the Prime Minister, are responsible. The only reason we had a National Cabinet is because Scummo and his mob are absolutely useless.
 
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Yes, the federal government, the Prime Minister, are responsible. The only reason we had a National Cabinet is because Scummo and his mob are absolutely useless.
Let’s explore that a little further. How would it look if the Federal Government took full responsibility. Would there be state border controls still?
 
Later on in that "inquiry", he also tried to absolve himself of any responsibility or accountability for the program.

He effectively said that the person that chairs a committee (National Cabinet in this instance) of any sorts is responsible for any final decision being made. He said he knew this because he has chaired plenty of committees. He added the remarks as an additional unrequested comment after seeming to have previously finished his statement to the question asked by the "inquirer".


Its been well known for ages that Andrews brought the idea up at National Cabinet because they needed something quickly. That doesn't make him solely responsible and also doesn't mean changing his mind as new info comes to light makes criticism of the system now, after a year, invalid.
 
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Were not in lockdown atm but might be again soon in the beautiful town of Nata ..160 plus new cases and 2 deaths in our town of 10 000ppl this week. No Vacs atm no idea when there are coming .The South of the country and the capitol of Gaborone been hit hard ..Yeah its a world wide thing .but China seems to be the only nation doing well out of this .Ok here in Nata Botswana we have been in curfew and having travel restrictions for the last 7 months composary masks and checks when going to shops ( temp ,name ,address ,id for contact tracing ) looking like that's indefinite atm .. can travel to the Francistown but not really any further south than that atm .The economy is struggling esp in places like Nata as its a big tourist area .
 
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Let’s explore that a little further. How would it look if the Federal Government took full responsibility. Would there be state border controls still?
We'll never know because they'll never take responsibility, MB.
 
Its been well known for ages that Andrews brought the idea up at National Cabinet because they needed something quickly. That doesn't make him solely responsible and also doesn't mean changing his mind as new info comes to light makes criticism of the system now, after a year, invalid.
I think my comment has been misinterpreted. It was in response to recent publicity regarding the 'architect' of the scheme. It triggered my mind to the comments Andrews made during the inquiry - 25/09/2020 - a clear reference to the National Cabinet. I'm surprised that at time the below comments weren't questioned.

Here they are verbatim:

A. Well, I would only be offering an opinion, if that would be useful to the Board.
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Q. Yes, if you think that what happened here was collective decision-making, we would be pleased --
A. I think it's --- Ms Ellyard, I want good and the best decision-making, and I think it's very difficult to make judgments about that unless you can point to who made it. 35 I don't know that this --- I don't --- my understanding of collective decision-making does not remove accountability, it does not remove --- for instance, as the Chair of the Cabinet, the Cabinet makes a collective decision but I have made that decision because I am the Chair of that Cabinet. If a group of people meet and a decision is made, then a similar formality ought be borne to those process --- come to those 40 processes as well. That's at least my practical experience from the many, many meetings and different forums that I'm the chair of. I don't think collective decision-making makes it harder to determine what body and which people made a judgment, made a decision. That's why those forums have a record of decisions and minutes and a degree --- they are an authorising environment.


https://www.quarantineinquiry.vic.g...Hotel Quarantine Program - Day 25 - FINAL.pdf - Pg 45 - for further reading if anyone could be bothered.



I was simply pointing out that at no stage has anyone, at either level, been willing to be accountable for decisions made. It's always someone else's job.
 
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Given the existing facilities - Christmas Island, Howard Springs - didn't have the necessary capacity, there were no other realistic options that I'm aware of.

So it comes down to management of that realistic option.

By the time any facilities are built - even if they start building tomorrow - we should be fully vaccinated and open again.

Vaccination is the only way out now and the faster the better.
 
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Given the existing facilities - Christmas Island, Howard Springs - didn't have the necessary capacity, there were no other realistic options that I'm aware of.

So it comes down to management of that realistic option.

By the time any facilities are built - even if they start building tomorrow - we should be fully vaccinated and open again.

Vaccination is the only way out now and the faster the better.


cocos islands off WA has remnant facilities and a strange population of beauracrats, from its old days as a q facility.

helluva nice place too.
 

Found a good place to get data regarding vaccines in Australia. The last graph shows that we were very comfortable until 2 weeks ago. Now that we are doing the right thing. Now over to the government to get the vaccine out to the GP’s.
 
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Might be time for #ScottyFromPhotoOpps to 'build' another cubby house soon.

There was one doing the rounds yesterday where he was "building" coffins out the back of Aged Care facilities.

3 cases - good result.

We have definitely reached the peak (with an asterix on any potential spread in Aged Care). Hoping to see bagels in ther comings days.

As for the 7 day lockdown... my personal view is 7 days is over the top. But we know from last year that the government are ultra, ultra-cautious.

Hopefully we’ll have some zero days in the leadup to next Friday. Not just to ensure lockdown ends (I think that’s a certainty), but to ensure there are less restrictions going into Queens Birthday weekend and beyond.

As for Footy… Our next home game is against St Kilda in 22 days. I am confident this game will be in Melbourne with crowds. But we may have to return to 50% capacity (or even less).
 
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As for Footy… Our next home game is against St Kilda in 22 days. I am confident this game will be in Melbourne with crowds. But we may have to return to 50% capacity (or even less).
'Aints fans have already given up so that won't be a problem.
 
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I think my comment has been misinterpreted. It was in response to recent publicity regarding the 'architect' of the scheme. It triggered my mind to the comments Andrews made during the inquiry - 25/09/2020 - a clear reference to the National Cabinet. I'm surprised that at time the below comments weren't questioned.

Here they are verbatim:

A. Well, I would only be offering an opinion, if that would be useful to the Board.
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Q. Yes, if you think that what happened here was collective decision-making, we would be pleased --
A. I think it's --- Ms Ellyard, I want good and the best decision-making, and I think it's very difficult to make judgments about that unless you can point to who made it. 35 I don't know that this --- I don't --- my understanding of collective decision-making does not remove accountability, it does not remove --- for instance, as the Chair of the Cabinet, the Cabinet makes a collective decision but I have made that decision because I am the Chair of that Cabinet. If a group of people meet and a decision is made, then a similar formality ought be borne to those process --- come to those 40 processes as well. That's at least my practical experience from the many, many meetings and different forums that I'm the chair of. I don't think collective decision-making makes it harder to determine what body and which people made a judgment, made a decision. That's why those forums have a record of decisions and minutes and a degree --- they are an authorising environment.


https://www.quarantineinquiry.vic.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-09/20200925 Hotel Quarantine Program - Day 25 - FINAL.pdf - Pg 45 - for further reading if anyone could be bothered.



I was simply pointing out that at no stage has anyone, at either level, been willing to be accountable for decisions made. It's always someone else's job.

Been taking advice from this guy.

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