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- Thread starter Tigers of Old
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What you wanna see now (obviously) is a reducing level of positives, combined with a reducing daily number of exposure sites now that we are 6 days into lockdown.
Looking on the DHSS website, there's only a couple of Tier 1 sites with an exposure period of 28 May +. One is aged care. But we're gonna need more time to build a zero outcome on both, and have that occur for a sustained period of time before you could say confidently that it's back in an "extinguished" position (as relevant as that word may be.)
I reckon we've got more than a week of extended lockdown in front of us.
Prior to lockdown a survey was taken and 67% of responders said they did not go and get tested when they had any flu like symptoms
.Not surprising then that we have outbreaks.
Can't speak for others but I'm happy to lock down for another week if it means we get on top of it.
I do think the Vic Government needs to stop their language though of referring to 'Victorians' & 'Victoria' & start referring to us as Australians. It's a bloody disgrace that the Feds aren't going to help with relief whilst we try to get on top of it. The Feds have washed their hands of Australians again. Not for the first time in this pandemic. If we were just to open up & let it wash through then lots of Australians will die.
Bigger concern is what's the end game here? What happens if we're at 6 cases a day at the end of next week?..
I do think the Vic Government needs to stop their language though of referring to 'Victorians' & 'Victoria' & start referring to us as Australians. It's a bloody disgrace that the Feds aren't going to help with relief whilst we try to get on top of it. The Feds have washed their hands of Australians again. Not for the first time in this pandemic. If we were just to open up & let it wash through then lots of Australians will die.
Bigger concern is what's the end game here? What happens if we're at 6 cases a day at the end of next week?..
Needs to be stopped at the source, i.e. incoming travellers. They need to be cleared of the virus beyond all doubt before being allowed to mingle.
Let's be honest if that had been the strategy months ago we wouldn't be in this mess.
When travellers from India were temporarily banned at the height of that crisis, the human rights mobs were up in arms. It really needs an approach that has bipartisan support.
Yeah but you do that and everyone cuts up rough about Australians not being allowed to return home. So we do let them come home and the virus is rampant in Victoria again.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
All returned travellers must be vaccinated upon arrival at the airport..then go to quarantine. Unless proven full vaccination in accepted countries beforehand.Those who accept can do 10 days in quarantine and 7 days home isolation.
Those who cannot be vaccinated ie pregnant, can do 17 days quarantine, then a week in home isolation.
Return is refused for those who refuse vaccination for no medical reason. That is an old ndividuals choice.
People leaving Australia whether planning to return or not, must be vaccinated completely prior to departure.
If vaccination is refused then travel is refused.
Just my suggestion.
I know the vaccination is not 100% perfect, what is, but it seems a sensible approach that would allow some Australians to travel.
It may offend some people's view of their rights...but in a pandemic that kills innocent Australians....some rights are over ridden by community needs, compassion and decency.
This along with a proper needs specific quarantine setup, should keep us free of covid.
Those who cannot be vaccinated ie pregnant, can do 17 days quarantine, then a week in home isolation.
Return is refused for those who refuse vaccination for no medical reason. That is an old ndividuals choice.
People leaving Australia whether planning to return or not, must be vaccinated completely prior to departure.
If vaccination is refused then travel is refused.
Just my suggestion.
I know the vaccination is not 100% perfect, what is, but it seems a sensible approach that would allow some Australians to travel.
It may offend some people's view of their rights...but in a pandemic that kills innocent Australians....some rights are over ridden by community needs, compassion and decency.
This along with a proper needs specific quarantine setup, should keep us free of covid.
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No issues with that at all to be honest. 21 day Quarantine is another option. Differing protocols based on vaccination status, country of origin etc can be put in place. The one rule for everyone doesn't cut it in this situation.
There are multiple ways of ensuring there is minimal chance of an outbreak. Closing the borders forbidding Australians to return home is the lazy nuclear option.
As opposed to risking billions of dollars to the economy, millions of Australians livlihoods & thousands of Australian deaths all because an expat didn't come home when they were told to?
Again, there are other ways to achieve the same thing without resorting to preventing Australians from coming home.
I'm no genius, far from it, but you'd think the intelligent people employed would have figured out that mixing newcomers with those about to leave quarantine would expose those leaving
Perhaps a staged quarantine stay where you have to spend a week or so in an isolated departure lounge subject to tests before being released?
Like a bird avery where there's a separate enclosure before entering the main enclosure in case a bird slips out. My old man who's never had a bird escape in 50 years could give them some advice.
If Quarantine was water tight then I might agree but until it is then I'd have stopped the flights.
