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Coronavirus

USA: 33 million
UK: 4 million cases
Italy: 4 million cases
Germany: 4 million cases
Canada: 1.3 million cases
Sweden: 1 million cases

Australia: 30,000 cases

Perspective.

It’s inevitable. It will spread. Victoria‘s humidity is the worst type, it’s colder here, and there’s less sunlight. Once the virus gets in, it’s going to spread.

Now you’re thinking well they should’ve done better at stopping the virus from getting in. But to do that, you need knowledge. We don’t have the knowledge because researchers worldwide have been significantly underfunded for decades.

During peaceful times, every rich country should’ve been investing far more into scientific research IMO. Oh well.

Melbourne’s top researchers aren’t surprised in the slightest about what we’re seeing. Worldwide, researchers have been warning governments about this for years. But it’s not something the voters want, so it’s not something the politicians sell. That’s the root of the problem of politicians running around like headless chooks IMO

Makes me wonder: how can democratic countries ever make unpopular, long-term, expensive decisions that are overwhelmingly in the people’s best interests but are incapable of being understood well enough by the majority of the people to ever be something they would vote for?
 
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123cups said:
Makes me wonder: how can democratic countries ever make unpopular, long-term, expensive decisions that are overwhelmingly in the people’s best interests but are incapable of being understood well enough by the majority of the people to ever be something they would vote for?
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Didn't John Howard do that with gun reform in Australia in 1996? Probably hasn't been done with anything since.
 
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The Big Richo said:
The journo's are a pack of cockheads.

Yesterday it was all 'why haven't you locked down?' now it is 'why have you locked down?' both in equally accusatory tones.

It's just attack, attack, attack with no care for the greater good.
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Does my head in. The HS just flip from one contrary headline statement to the other when it suits them to do so.
 
eZyT said:
gotta be a numbers game with Victoria.

they have 27 people / km2

Nsw have 10, Qld 3, SA 2,

thats a pretty significant difference and surely largely explains the consistent bad luck?
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On the surface appears logical but shouldn't you only look at the density of population where the virus was active/transmitted? eg density in the cities?
Not too many cases in outback NSW or QLD.
 
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mrposhman said:
Didn't John Howard do that with gun reform in Australia in 1996? Probably hasn't been done with anything since.
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Yes and No, gun reform is not opposed by a very large proportion of the population because most people in Australia simply don't own guns.

A small, vocal, and possibly strategic in terms of elections, minority jumped up and down about it and Howard was willing to wear that, which is one of the few things I would applaud him for.

DS
 
123cups said:
It’s inevitable. It will spread. Victoria‘s humidity is the worst type, it’s colder here, and there’s less sunlight. Once the virus gets in, it’s going to spread.
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Yes I've seen comments that Vic's climate along with the population density may contribute
 
DavidSSS said:
If they locked down earlier there would have been howls of protest from journalists and just about everyone else. If they locked down last week and no more infections happened they would have been hammered.

No lockdown and more cases so now we lockdown and there are howls of protest from all quarters.

The biggest problem I see with the current outbreak is that it started with someone who tested negative and likely caught COVID late in his stay in a clearly inadequate facility masquerading as a quarantine facility. There was no reason for the original patient to isolate. This is pretty much impossible to stop until such time as we have proper quarantine facilities.

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Agree. And disagree.

He came out of quarantine negative. So the proper quarantine point is not entirely right.

The way i see it, we should assess the new variants if people require to stay longer in quarantine. Eg maybe 16 or 18 days.

My earlier point. SA only contact him. No alert to any other passengers on that flight. Pathetic attitude. Put Vic in a terrible spot as they were no aware of what happened.
Useless. They shouldve call immediately and informed the airline, Vic govt and test every1. I know they tried to contact every1 on that flight 2 days layer but too late .

Vic govt right to blame SA.

Get the angst with Fed quarantine facilities. Agree shouldve have been done sooner. Useless too. Was mentioned in press conf Vic & Feds in talks.

This *smile* virus is bad. Earlier this year my son in laws uncle succumb to it overseas within a week! Sth African variant
 
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So over 40's can get vaccinated now but per the complete fck up that this roll out has been, the eligibility checker that allows you to then search for GP providers hasn't been updated.

You can put in an age of 50+ and it will work, but given that under 50's are being recommended to receive the Pfizer vaccine, you can't see what Pfizer GPs exist for bookings. The best you can do is try and do a walk up at one of the en masse centres which are now totally overwhelmed.
 
MD Jazz said:
On the surface appears logical but shouldn't you only look at the density of population where the virus was active/transmitted? eg density in the cities?
Not too many cases in outback NSW or QLD.
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Yes. I'm guessing pop. dens. in Melb/Syd is pretty similar
 
IanG said:
I didn't realise there was that much of a population density difference. It could explain why.
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Syd the most densely populated city in Aust so don't think pop density is the reason
 
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MD Jazz said:
Syd the most densely populated city in Aust so don't think pop density is the reason
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100% do not believe it is population density..nor climate.
It is cultural behaviours, ie large family gatherings ,work place setups with close proximity , contact tracing effectiveness and good or bad luck.
Victoria has these issues, Sydney to some degree. The other states do not.
 
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Chance event. But an event made more possible by the lack of national quarantine facility.
 
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Tried to ring to get a vac, 22 calls to the hotline over three hours, all call failed,couldn’t get through.
 
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Maybe two weeks' hotel quarantine should be followed by 1-2 weeks of home detention quarantine? A pain in the arse for those concerned, but we can't keep taking hits like this.
 
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I am getting inspiration from Paul Keating.

'It is the outbreak and lockdown Victoria and Australia had to have'.

Suddenly there is an urgency to get vaccinated that should have been there all along.
 
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They identified and deep cleaned the wrong woolworths when the first case was identified. says quite a bit about our contact tracing.
 
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