So bosses shouldn't hold those who report to them accountable?
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So bosses shouldn't hold those who report to them accountable?
Yes I don’t quite understand that view. Plenty calling for the government to be accountable and when a senior minister is held accountable the premier is seen as not backing his people? You can’t have it both ways.
The secretary of DHHS is under a lot of pressure as well.
No but at the same time they shouldn't lie and point the finger at someone else.
Do you really believe that Dan wasn't involved and doesn't share the blame?
Did the Health Minster direct that Private Security be used to secure the Hotel Quarantine programme?
She screwed up badly but so have multiple others if VICPOL/Department of Premier & Cabinet's alleged roles in this is true.
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You could say though that the Aged Care issue is a peculiarly Victorian one.
Why didn't the same happen in NSW for instance?
It's the same as blaming the issue on casualisation of the workforce forcing security guards/carers to work across multiple sites.
Why did it only affect Victoria?
there was an aged care in NSW that had 14 deaths. the NSW gov had to step in to provide support there.
I can’t find a link or the exact quote but didn’t Andrews say Mikakos had his full backing not that long ago?
If she didn’t resign my personal view is that he wouldn’t have sacked her. He even said that he didn’t ask her to resign
Yes, one site Newmarch had 17 deaths.
Compare that to Victoria.
Why is Victoria so badly affected compared to other states?
Where has he lied? As for accountability yes he does share responsibility, as do the others, but he is trying to make it right as opposed to others that dodge and deflect all responsibility.
Where has he lied? As for accountability yes he does share responsibility, as do the others, but he is trying to make it right as opposed to others that dodge and deflect all responsibility.
Need single figures occurring next week. 10 and under.
In two weeks 5 and under.
This is becoming quite hard but we know we got to stay the course.
Are you asking why Victoria had more community transmission, or why the issues with our federal aged care were exposed when they weren't in other states?
Because one answers the other.
Dan is an ambitious career politician. He didn't throw her under the bus but I'd be confident he knew she would be a casualty of the inquiry. Reckon he is backing a few things - cases down, restrictions eased, ongoing successful management - to override the ill will in the community.
And whilst the focus is purely on hotel quarantine Vic has been behind the rest of Aust in other areas of covid management. A clear example has been our contact tracing.
It appears many are happy to accept ignorance as good leadership. You could argue that even though Dan was part of the National cabinet he didn't really care what decisions were discussed and made at that level he was going his own way. Vic has done things differently to the other states. This is fine if the outcomes support your stance. Unfortunately the outcomes haven't been great so far.
Can totally understand him not resigning, it would be a terrible legacy. For his and our sake I hope they can manage it better from here on in.
Another good article in the age on this pandemic
www.theage.com.au
When was it we all began to regard dying as such a failure?
From the moment we take our first breath we begin our demise, yet we clamour in fear that life be preserved at any cost.
Yes, what is fundamentally different in Victoria?
The Federal Government is, no doubt, up to their eyeballs in terms of allowing private aged care to become 100% about the profit but what is it that has caused Victoria to have so many more deaths spread across so many more sites.
People blaming casualisation of the workforce in this area seem to ignore that that's not an exclusively Victorian issue.
They also seem to ignore that NSW had issues but got on top of them much quicker and much more effectively.
