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Professor MacMillan, who is one of the top ten academic commentators on coronavirus,

Where in the top 10? Who else is in the top 10? How does he get in the top 10? Is there a ladder? Journalism is just cut and paste these days. Probably off the Profesors Twitter stream.
 
Infectious disease expert says Victoria is facing 300 plus cases until at least the end of the year (paywalled)
Lucy Callander
Herald Sun
July 25, 2020

A hard lockdown should have been introduced weeks ago and face masks will not be enough to stop coronavirus, a leading infectious disease expert says.

Professor Nigel McMillan of Menzies Health Institute Queensland said Victoria now faced the real possibility of 300 plus cases every day until the end of the year.

“I think Melbourne came out of the first lockdown too soon,” he said.

“The daily numbers weren’t low enough to justify the relaxing of restrictions.”

He said instead of returning to State 3 on July 8 the state should have introduced Stage 4.

“There is evidence that a hard lockdown works.

“Had there been a move to Stage 4 straight away there would have been a chance to prevent what came next.”

Professor MacMillan, who is one of the top ten academic commentators on coronavirus, said the state’s obsession with finding lockdown loopholes and exemptions was puzzling.

“The rest of the country really can’t understand why there is debate around runners and cyclists wearing masks,” Prof McMillan said.

“It’s gone well beyond that. People should not be out.”

On Friday Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews said there was no immediate plan for any further lockdown restrictions.

“I’ve got no advice to move to a so-called stage four or to change those rules,” he said.

Chief Health Officer Professor Brett Sutton said it was “expected” a number of people would die in coming weeks.

“That’s an absolute tragedy and of course we’re working in any way we can to drive those numbers down,” he said.

“I understand the temptation to go to stage four … (but) a broad sweep of a shutdown of industry carries its own harms.

“And it may not turn around the transmission because of where we’re seeing transmission occurring.”

Prof Sutton said masks “may well be a game changer” in slowing the spread.

Face masks became mandatory on Thursday and debate has raged over exemptions, which include while doing strenuous exercise and eating and drinking.

On the first day of the mask policy Leader witnessed small groups of people at Mount Martha Village removing their masks to drink their take away coffee.

Shop assistants in Mornington also went mask free when customers were not in store.

There were concerns over the behaviour of cyclists with one man complaining that some were using a “bushman’s hanky” – blocking one nostril and expelling snot from the other – while riding.

A Bayside cyclist who did not wish to be named said the practice was common along Beach Rd.

“I am a keen, regular cyclist myself so understand the issue, but it just seems in these current unusual times, cyclists need to have the habit of collecting a handkerchief along with their mobile before heading out for a ride,” he said.

The Leader also spotted golfers at Brighton Public Golf Course without masks.

A Department of Health and Human Services spokesman said residents of metropolitan Melbourne or Mitchell Shire had to wear a face covering when they left home for one of four reasons – shopping for food and supplies, care and caregiving, exercise, and study and work.

“You can take your face covering off when eating or drinking, but should maintain physical distancing of 1.5 metres and practice good hygiene,’ the spokesman said.

“Eating and drinking should not be used as an excuse not to wear a mask. You must use common sense and wear a mask at all times where possible.

“You must wear your mask while at work, however you are permitted to remove it for short breaks if needed, but never around other people.”


This is exactly what I've been saying all along. (the stuff at the start, not the confusing nonsense coming out of the state presser)

Seriously “Eating and drinking should not be used as an excuse not to wear a mask." Really?

Masks are really ineffective control measures as it is. They do a little, but not a lot. Saying you can't eat or drink in order to wear them is just stupid.


“You must wear your mask while at work, however you are permitted to remove it for short breaks if needed, but never around other people.”

Right then. Wear a mask unless eating, but don't eat to not wear a mask, and you can eat without a mask but not around other people. Perfectly clear.
 
Chief Health Officer Professor Brett Sutton said it was “expected” a number of people would die in coming weeks.
O Lee ...what great journalism you choose to promulgate.....

Ah FFS. I'm not posting anything from the papers from now on. It always ends up being personal.
 
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And you suggest government employees would do it better? Can you give me many examples of public servants providing exceptional service?
And you suggest government employees would do it better? Can you give me many examples of public servants providing exceptional service?
My view is similar to Brodders’, there are some things where the public interest and a profit motive don’t mix.
As an example there is no way that a privatised hospital system would serve us today like our public system does, both during and before the pandemic. Public hospitals do things the private system won’t do because there is no money in them, plus they teach our health professionals of the future.
I would also prefer to be in public aged care right now than private.
Equally I believe there are plenty of things Government should stay out of.
 
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459 new cases. Another 10 deaths. Over 42,000 tests.

No signs of improvement yet :(

Can’t see this lockdown ending after 6 weeks.
 
Sure of what? The daily cases are quite steady as far as the increase goes but I would have hoped to see a reduction in that number 2.5 weeks into the lockdown. This is definitely different than the first wave.

I watched some of the press conference but I missed that critical infection number. I can’t remember what it is called but it needs to be below 1 before we see improvement. That is an infected person infects less than one other person. Did anyone else see what that number is?
 
Sorry about that Lee, bad post to break my. Self imposed exile from this thread.

The article's fair game but there's not much encouragement to post if the poster is targeted rather the content itself. I accept your argument about "top ten coronavirus commentators"; had a look and couldn't find any info on this supposed list.
 
Sure of what? The daily cases are quite steady as far as the increase goes but I would have hoped to see a reduction in that number 2.5 weeks into the lockdown. This is definitely different than the first wave.

I watched some of the press conference but I missed that critical infection number. I can’t remember what it is called but it needs to be below 1 before we see improvement. That is an infected person infects less than one other person. Did anyone else see what that number is?
The R or RN number (maybe the N stands for number?). I see it sometimes in ABC articles- it was 1.04 today, which is obviously nearly below 1.
If i see the link again i will post.
 
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Hmm, another bad day and things are not heading in the right direction, would have to question whether it is flattening out too:

7 July: 102.29
8 July: 111.00
9 July: 123.57
10 July: 155.29
11 July: 170.71
12 July: 199.14
13 July: 206.29
14 July: 217.57
15 July: 232.43
16 July: 254.14
17 July: 274.14
18 July: 274.29
19 July: 287.14
20 July: 301.14
21 July: 316.00
22 July: 351.14
23 July: 363.43
24 July: 345.14
25 July: 365.14
26 July: 378.86

Someone above pointed to a rise in tests, I hope that had something to do with it.

22nd Man, I don't reckon that scientist ever said anything about being "top 10", it just isn't the way scientists and academics work, or speak about that sort of thing - you could measure on refereed publications, publications in A grade journals, citations and impact. But the academics themselves just don't talk like that. On the other hand, journalists make that sort of thing up on a daily basis.

As for articles being reproduced here, if they came from a source other than the Murdoch lie sheets, then there would likely be less hostility.

DS
 
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I watched some of the press conference but I missed that critical infection number. I can’t remember what it is called but it needs to be below 1 before we see improvement. That is an infected person infects less than one other person. Did anyone else see what that number is?

The R or RN number (maybe the N stands for number?). I see it sometimes in ABC articles- it was 1.04 today, which is obviously nearly below 1.
If i see the link again i will post.

The ABC website call it the "Growth Factor" and it "measures how fast the number of new cases is going up or down".
Here is the link to the ABC News page which updates daily. As Brodders said, yesterday it was 1.04 (for Australia), trending downwards for the last couple of weeks (1.14 on July 12)

 
The R or RN number (maybe the N stands for number?). I see it sometimes in ABC articles- it was 1.04 today, which is obviously nearly below 1.
If i see the link again i will post.
That's the one thanks Brodders. It's come to me now I think it means Reinfection Number. Despite the big daily numbers that's quite promising. I believe if that RN is under 1 then it means containment is working and the daily cases will drop.
 
That's the one thanks Brodders. It's come to me now I think it means Reinfection Number. Despite the big daily numbers that's quite promising. I believe if that RN is under 1 then it means containment is working and the daily cases will drop.

Reproduction number is what you're after or maybe Effective Reproduction Number

 
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Reproduction number is what you're after or maybe Effective Reproduction Number

One recent study put the figure at 5.7 for the virus itself, if no action was taken to mitigate it.

A relatively small increase results in a big increase in the number of infected.

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You were right about test numbers it was over 40k for the day ... I recall recent tallies have ranged from low 20s into the 30s.

The positive test rate despite the large number of cases was down yesterday. Was a lot closer to 1% when we have been consistently above that.

I wonder with the reported tests, whether they are tests taken, or test results as you would want to be comparing new cases to the test results not the number of tests taken due to the lag factor of returning results.
 
The positive test rate despite the large number of cases was down yesterday. Was a lot closer to 1% when we have been consistently above that.

I wonder with the reported tests, whether they are tests taken, or test results as you would want to be comparing new cases to the test results not the number of tests taken due to the lag factor of returning results.
i was thinking the same.
The results yesterday would reflect tests done Thursday/Friday (and earlier), not Saturday.