Coronavirus

[123cups]

A daily increase of 30-40% new cases / total active cases is the danger zone. We've been around or under 10% for a while.

Honestly, don't cause yourselves too much unnecessary stress for this wave. It'll probably be a small one.

 

[AngryAnt]

Wasn't suggesting they should do it on a daily basis. It's been over 2 weeks since the lockdown and Mitchell's numbers are going down whilst Geelong's are going up. Given Geelong is substantially more heavily populated than Mitchell and also has many, many residents travelling to the Wyndham red zone for work everyday then applying the restrictions in Geelong seems very pertinent; a no brainer really.

I'm not an epidemiologist so I'm not sure when they would trigger a lockdown in another area, for me, it's not a "no-brainer". If lockdown is implemented and cases are dropping like in Mitchell shire, good. Keep it locked down til you are sure it's controlled. Cases increasing in Geelong is a worry but I'm sure it's being monitored and they'll make that hard call if they have to - perhaps track/trace/quarantine is enough for now.

 

[Ridley]

I'm not an epidemiologist so I'm not sure when they would trigger a lockdown in another area, for me, it's not a "no-brainer". If lockdown is implemented and cases are dropping like in Mitchell shire, good. Keep it locked down til you are sure it's controlled. Cases increasing in Geelong is a worry but I'm sure it's being monitored and they'll make that hard call if they have to - perhaps track/trace/quarantine is enough for now.

Yeah I'm not advocating removing the lock down in Mitchell but I do think it should be extended to Geelong. The exposure to the Wyndham red zone is quite substantial.

 

[spook]

How's the clown in the second video. "I don't understand, because to understand means to stand under your authority (no, it doesn't). I comprehend."

"I'm not driving, I'm travelling." Then later, "So, can I drive on?" Oh, so you are driving? And he has the hide to accuse the cop of trickery and double-speak. Deluded narcissist.

 

[BT Tiger]

I kinda wish these people didn't receive any publicity at all. Seems like these types operate with a "any publicity is good publicity" approach so these reports just serve to increase their profiles.

Bit frustrating that these sorts of incidents are occurring, but don't let it detract from the fact that the vast majority or people are doing the right thing!

 

[Brodders17]

Yeah I'm not advocating removing the lock down in Mitchell but I do think it should be extended to Geelong. The exposure to the Wyndham red zone is quite substantial.

Mitchell Shire, with a pop. under 50k has 13 active cases.
Geeelong, with a pop. approx 250k has 23 active cases, and despite no lock down has not seen a big jump over the last 2 weeks.

Plus, as Ant said it is not just numbers, it is who and how.
Colac had 26 cases, but they are all related to the meatworks, no apparent community transmission, hence no lockdown.

 

[Coburgtiger]

I'm not an epidemiologist so I'm not sure when they would trigger a lockdown in another area, for me, it's not a "no-brainer". If lockdown is implemented and cases are dropping like in Mitchell shire, good. Keep it locked down til you are sure it's controlled. Cases increasing in Geelong is a worry but I'm sure it's being monitored and they'll make that hard call if they have to - perhaps track/trace/quarantine is enough for now.

It's a mistake to think that effective monitoring is happening right now. The system is overwhelmed. Things are definitely slipping through the cracks.

 

[AngryAnt]

It's a mistake to think that effective monitoring is happening right now. The system is overwhelmed. Things are definitely slipping through the cracks.

Yeah, my bad for assuming.

 

[MD Jazz]

i dont think anyone is saying private business cant be successful, but private business running social services for profit is fraught with risk, particularly in sectors where there is no natural marker to drive quality.

and you need to move on from Scomo, it is a bit boring.

And you suggest government employees would do it better? Can you give me many examples of public servants providing exceptional service?

Sorry, poor habit of blaming scomo.

 

[MD Jazz]

Go back to complaining about golf, marginally less tedious

Golf is allowed now. Scomo is yet to be brought to account.

 

[MD Jazz]

the Sweden example shows that not locking down had the same impact or worse on the economy. The analysis is extremely poor as it assumes the economy continues as it did prior to corona. It ignores costs like increased deaths and hospitalisations, and the resultant excess deaths due to lack of health service availability. It assumes no vaccine is forthcoming and herd immunity is an inevitable strategy. It doesn't cost the impact of a herd immunity strategy.

I don't think it can be measured accurately whilst we are still in the midst of the pandemic. A lot to be played out yet. It may be years before the "best" course ofg action is revealed. Unfortunately any course of action will cost lives and be devastating for many.

 

[MD Jazz]

OK but because their work patterns are like that means that if they get the virus they potentially spread it to multiple workplaces. The data seems pretty clear given the type of work that is getting hit. More than 1 person has mentioned it here, it was mentioned by both Andrews and Sutton.

Reflecting on this and whilst I acknowledge the financial challenges faced by casual workers in these environments surely they have a moral obligation to protect the health of their patients first?

And I'm sure not every worker is under the same immediate financial pressure?

 

[AngryAnt]

I don't think it can be measured accurately whilst we are still in the midst of the pandemic. A lot to be played out yet. It may be years before the "best" course ofg action is revealed. Unfortunately any course of action will cost lives and be devastating for many.

Yes, but the assumption in that article is that the economy sails on unaffected if we don't lock down. It's garbage.

 

[Althom]

I kinda wish these people didn't receive any publicity at all. Seems like these types operate with a "any publicity is good publicity" approach so these reports just serve to increase their profiles.

Bit frustrating that these sorts of incidents are occurring, but don't let it detract from the fact that the vast majority or people are doing the right thing!

Exactly. The media giving these muppets air time is contributing to other muppets thinking they should do the same thing.

 

[MD Jazz]

Yes, but the assumption in that article is that the economy sails on unaffected if we don't lock down. It's garbage.

Not sure that is correct. But its just another opinion, and from a pretty qualified source.

 

[AngryAnt]

Not sure that is correct.

By all means, show me in where in the article is the cost-benefit analysis of allowing the disease to proceed unchecked. I didn't see this when I glanced through it.

 

[DavidSSS]

Lower number today and a larger number of new infections 8 days ago sees the 7 day trailing average drop for the first time in , well, a long time:

7 July: 102.29
8 July: 111.00
9 July: 123.57
10 July: 155.29
11 July: 170.71
12 July: 199.14
13 July: 206.29
14 July: 217.57
15 July: 232.43
16 July: 254.14
17 July: 274.14
18 July: 274.29
19 July: 287.14
20 July: 301.14
21 July: 316.00
22 July: 351.14
23 July: 363.43
24 July: 345.14

A good sign, but probably more a matter of timing than anything else, let's hope it actually is a sign that we are starting to level off and the number of new infections will start to consistently drop soon.

DS

 

[HR]

It has to level off.
We all are wishing the best for Victoria.
If this doesn't work in Victoria what will work in the rest of the country?
This is not over yet.

 

[DavidSSS]

It has to level off.
We all are wishing the best for Victoria.
If this doesn't work in Victoria what will work in the rest of the country?
This is not over yet.

Too true, break outs are going to happen and the quicker we get it under control in Victoria the better for everyone. Most of us are trying although I still see too many people out there every day. I reckon I left my house for maybe half an hour today to get some bread.

DS

 

[Legends of 2017]

How's the clown in the second video. "I don't understand, because to understand means to stand under your authority (no, it doesn't). I comprehend."

"I'm not driving, I'm travelling." Then later, "So, can I drive on?" Oh, so you are driving? And he has the hide to accuse the cop of trickery and double-speak. Deluded narcissist.

I’m glad I’m not a cop. I noticed one of them had a taser. I would have used it after a couple of minutes. Seriously, what a flog. Unlicensed, unregistered. I would have asked him to do a breath test, drug test, the works. I cant understand why he was allowed to drive off. Surely that sets a precedent for any unlicensed wanker driving an unregistered vehicle. I know he would be sent fines in the mail but who’s to say he gave the cops the correct details? Obviously obeying the law means nothing to him