Coronavirus

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

It follows the exact same logic as yours.

It's a piece of *smile*.

It's a perfectly plausible suggestion that a mass gathering of unwashed resulted in a number of public virus transmissions which began manifesting themselves in a sharp increase in infections which also coincided with the average incubation period for the virus. I contend that it's a lot more than plausible.

Not sure why you lot are making such a concerted attempt to make me look like an idiot, but you're really reaching now.

 

[MD Jazz]

Given what I know about the security industry I'm amazed it's gone so well. EzyT is not far off I reckon

One would hope some level of expertise/training/precaution would have been exercised. Perhaps they used the same guys that Jeff complained about at the footy?

 

[AngryAnt]

It's a piece of *smile*.

It's a perfectly plausible suggestion that a mass gathering of unwashed resulted in a number of public virus transmissions which began manifesting themselves in a sharp increase in infections which also coincided with the average incubation period for the virus. I contend that it's a lot more than plausible.

Not sure why you lot are making such a concerted attempt to make me look like an idiot, but you're really reaching now.

We've got data, you don't. The idiocy is on you.

 

[Coburgtiger]

It's a piece of *smile*.

It's a perfectly plausible suggestion that a mass gathering of unwashed resulted in a number of public virus transmissions which began manifesting themselves in a sharp increase in infections which also coincided with the average incubation period for the virus. I contend that it's a lot more than plausible.

Not sure why you lot are making such a concerted attempt to make me look like an idiot, but you're really reaching now.

You may contend that it's plausible, but it's not what is being shown by any measure of data. You have posted meaningless correlation. The same spike also occured after Richmond's first loss in a year, so we can assume that was the issue too.

The reality, shown by any measure, is that the general relaxing of restrictions has caused the spike, not a one off event held outside with comparitively small numbers of people.

Just looked it up, and by the way, on an average day highpoint shopping centre has over 40,000 visitors. I've got friends who work there who say that this weekend was one of the busiest they've experienced.

And that's happened every day of every weekend since restrictions eased.

The issue here is that restrictions were eased too soon. If you want to have a go at someone, have a go at our federal and state leaders (the left and the right). Blaming the BLM is just stupid.

 

[AngryAnt]

One would hope some level of expertise/training/precaution would have been exercised. Perhaps they used the same guys that Jeff complained about at the footy?

Perhaps

I read somewhere that around 60,000 people have come back through quarantine hotels so an re-infection rate of 0.01% is not too bad IMO. Like I keep saying Australia (and Victoria) are doing pretty well.

 

[spook]

"Unwashed". FFS.

Politics prof PVO takes a momentary breather from his confusion at discovering Scumo's a liar to have a stab at why Vic had a spike:

But reopening the state has exposed the organisational deficiencies in Victoria’s health services.

No public health units in local health districts, as happens in other states, is a significant shortfall. The Victorian model centralises power, which reduces the skills and abilities of local health districts to manage outbreaks when they occur. They are the frontline in controlling this.

And Victoria’s Chief Health Officer, Brett Sutton, sits three levels below the Premier and Health Minister, reducing his line-management rights and responsibilities and hampering his ability to make decisions swiftly in what needs to be a fast-paced response setting.

NoCookies | The Australian

www.theaustralian.com.au

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

You may contend that it's plausible, but it's not what is being shown by any measure of data. You have posted meaningless correlation. The same spike also occured after Richmond's first loss in a year, so we can assume that was the issue too.

The reality, shown by any measure, is that the general relaxing of restrictions has caused the spike, not a one off event held outside with comparitively small numbers of people.

Just looked it up, and by the way, on an average day highpoint shopping centre has over 40,000 visitors. I've got friends who work there who say that this weekend was one of the busiest they've experienced.

And that's happened every day of every weekend since restrictions eased.

The issue here is that restrictions were eased too soon. If you want to have a go at someone, have a go at our federal and state leaders (the left and the right). Blaming the BLM is just stupid.

I'll blame who I think is to blame. Protesting was egregious anti-social behaviour and it's predictably *smile* us. I can't "prove" it because the government is never going to provide data suggesting it is guilty of negligence. It's done now and best to focus on dealing with the problem.

On this, you're like a lot of Richmond supporters who can't bring themselves to find fault with the club.

 

[spook]

You may contend that it's plausible, but it's not what is being shown by any measure of data. You have posted meaningless correlation. The same spike also occured after Richmond's first loss in a year, so we can assume that was the issue too.

The reality, shown by any measure, is that the general relaxing of restrictions has caused the spike, not a one off event held outside with comparitively small numbers of people.

Just looked it up, and by the way, on an average day highpoint shopping centre has over 40,000 visitors. I've got friends who work there who say that this weekend was one of the busiest they've experienced.

And that's happened every day of every weekend since restrictions eased.

The issue here is that restrictions were eased too soon. If you want to have a go at someone, have a go at our federal and state leaders (the left and the right). Blaming the BLM is just stupid.

Not to mention, everyone at BLM wore a mask and social distanced, unlike the old wogs having a chinwag or breathing down your neck at Northcote Plaza.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Not to mention, everyone at BLM wore a mask and social distanced

So you were there, then? No wonder you're upset at my opinion.

 

[AngryAnt]

I'll blame who I think is to blame. Protesting was egregious anti-social behaviour and it's predictably *smile* us. I can't "prove" it because the government is never going to provide data suggesting it is guilty of negligence. It's done now and best to focus on dealing with the problem.

The mobility data proves you wrong, unless of course Apple and Google are in on the conspiracy.

 

[Coburgtiger]

I'll blame who I think is to blame. Protesting was egregious anti-social behaviour and it's predictably *smile* us. I can't "prove" it because the government is never going to provide data suggesting it is guilty of negligence. It's done now and best to focus on dealing with the problem.

You're like a lot of Richmond supporters who can't bring themselves to find fault with the club on this.

It's not just that you can't prove it, it's that you can't support it at all.

Tell me, why do you think the BLM protests were more dangerous than shopping centres being open? Which are bigger gatherings, of more people, in smaller areas, for longer periods of time, more often?

In reality, even that is probably not the reason for the spike. It's seems to be more intimate communal gatherings that are the issue, which tracks with my understanding of infectious disease.

For what it's worth, I don't think the protests should happened at the time they did. By the same token, I don't think shopping centres should be open, and I don't think family gathering restrictions should have been eased. I posted at the time that we would see a spike because of those restrictions, and we have.

But it's just complete and utter political and social bias to pick one event out of all of those and blame it. You don't agree with the sentiment of the BLM protests. That's your point. Not anything to do with this virus.

 

[spook]

So you were there, then? No wonder you're upset at my opinion.

No, I wasn't. But friends were.

Your opinion that protesters were "unwashed"? So you were there, then? I'm not upset at this 'opinion', I'm scoffing at it. I know at least a dozen who went, all middle class.

 

[DavidSSS]

The BLM protests were criticised for happening during a pandemic, not the right time.
The Indigenous rallies on Australia Day are criticised for happening on our national day - not the right day.
Climate change protests are criticised as school students shouldn't take time off school to protest against screwing up the planet - not the right time.

Let's face it, the right, along with the right wing cheer squad that is our media, just don't like civil society (ie: citizens) challenging their precious system designed to keep them rich and powerful at the expense of the rest of us.

DS

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

No, I wasn't. But friends were.

Your opinion that protesters were "unwashed"? So you were there, then? I'm not upset at this 'opinion', I'm scoffing at it. I know at least a dozen who went, all middle class.

You shouldn't get hung up on a word that doesn't apply to you. It was a generalised and light-hearted slap at Greens supporters.

You claimed everyone was wearing a mask, so I assumed this was based on first-hand experience. While this would no doubt have helped to limit transmission, it wouldn't have prevented it. Even if true.

You also claimed protesters observed social distancing. Now I haven't seen much of the footage or photos, but enough to say that is categorically false. I'm not going to label you a liar, just someone who is overly keen to deny any culpability on the part of the protesters, for whatever reason.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Come on lefties, tag someone else in to have a crack.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Tell me, why do you think the BLM protests were more dangerous than shopping centres being open?

Dunno about the shopping centres. I haven't been and I don't think it's smart to go. But they've been open all the way through. Antman's chart suggested behaviour hasn't changed in that respect. As a static variable, I'm excluding it from the equation.

 

[AngryAnt]

Dunno about the shopping centres. I haven't been and I don't think it's smart to go. But they've been open all the way through. Antman's chart suggested behaviour hasn't changed in that respect. As a static variable, I'm excluding it from the equation.

If you look at the charts they show steady increase in mobility including shopping, so shopping behaviour is not static.

 

[Coburgtiger]

If you look at the charts they show steady increase in mobility including shopping, so shopping behaviour is not static.

Particularly as they weren't open completely the whole way through. It's only since restrictions eased that most retailers have reopened.

 

[eZyT]

A couple of my POV's, FWIW

1. I'm 100% behind the BLM movement, but was 90% against a mass protest at a critical time in a 1-100 year pandemic. My simplistic take was, violent active racism has happened everyday for hundreds of years, a global pandemic happens once every hundred years. They dont need to coincide as events.

2. There is a strong insinuation, if not an overt message, that ethnic groups having large close gatherings for lunch have contributed mostly to a real or perceived 2nd wave, that has created real inconvenience and uncertainty for pretty much everyone. Now the idea of needing health department people to door knock to get the message across is very, very difficult for me to comprehend. COVID and TigerKing and Trump have been THE only thing on TV, Print, on the internet for 6 months now, in every language on the planet. It would be in Brail, its certainly in Auslan, it would be in Swahili on SBS. I reckon if you had locked-in syndrome in a hospital on a remote island of the Phillipines, you're have got the idea that Covid is super infectious and super nasty? How could anyone miss the message? I reckon that mega remote tribe on that island off India, the ones who shot the anthropologist dead with a bow and arrow last year, would be social distancing. How could you possibly miss the messaging in urban Melbourne? Are door knockers going to get through to people who apparently have either no sensory inputs whatsoever, or absolutely no sense of civil responsibility whatsoever?

 

[Coburgtiger]

A couple of my POV's, FWIW

1. I'm 100% behind the BLM movement, but was 90% against a mass protest at a critical time in a 1-100 year pandemic. My simplistic take was, violent active racism has happened everyday for hundreds of years, a global pandemic happens once every hundred years. They dont need to coincide as events.

2. There is a strong insinuation, if not an overt message, that ethnic groups having large close gatherings for lunch have contributed mostly to a real or perceived 2nd wave, that has created real inconvenience and uncertainty for pretty much everyone. Now the idea of needing health department people to door knock to get the message across is very, very difficult for me to comprehend. COVID and TigerKing and Trump have been THE only thing on TV, Print, on the internet for 6 months now, in every language on the planet. It would be in Brail, its certainly in Auslan, it would be in Swahili on SBS. I reckon if you had locked-in syndrome in a hospital on a remote island of the Phillipines, you're have got the idea that Covid is super infectious and super nasty? How could anyone miss the message? I reckon that mega remote tribe on that island off India, the ones who shot the anthropologist dead with a bow and arrow last year, would be social distancing. How could you possibly miss the messaging in urban Melbourne? Are door knockers going to get through to people who apparently have no sensory inputs whatsoever?

Part of the issue with restrictions easing is the perceived change in message.

For me personally, once my school reopened, and I was crammed into a tiny staff room with 5 other teachers from problem areas (as well as the thousand odd students milling about), it was hard to figure out why I couldn't have dinner with my parents and sisters.

I mean, I did figure it out, and have tried to still keep myself isolated as possible, but I can understand the mixed messages.