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No I don't like Andrews. Don't think I've posted anything on the branch-stacking thing. He's getting an easy run. O'Brien is barely any better than Guy.

Nobody wants to admit responsibility for making people sick, be they protesters or government. If they say they were elsewhere and don't know how they caught it, and they haven't got the app on their phones, they still count as one case and they still require treatment. I wouldn't expect too many to admit culpability and show remorse.

The data and chronology is what it is, but whichever way you look at it, Dan is running a leaky ship. Victorians have enabled its resurgence, and we can't blame China for that.

I get what you are saying, but we were in the same place as NSW, released restrictions the same (or less than they did) and got the spike that they didn't. I fail to see how that is Andrews fault. I'm not a labout voter so don't straight out come to bat for Dan, but I fail to see how this spike is the fault of authorities in Vic. We haven't done anything different to other states in terms of restriction releases.

When you have stats like what the retail workers union pulled which shows 50% of people taking tests go shopping straight after, how does Dan legislate for that level of stupidity and selfishness?
 
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how does Dan legislate for that level of stupidity and selfishness?


its a good question.

Maybe as well as having AUSLAN signers at press conferences,

they should have some young girls in bikinis holding up signs like in-between the boxing rounds?

on the sign, they could have a picture of someone whose just tested positive to a virus thats killed a million people sitting down to a giant family Sunday lunch, with a big red line through it?
 
I agree its not the BLM protests that have caused it. Dumb that they went ahead but Andrews didn't encourage them. But it is the gov't health department incompetence that has definitely contributed to the VIC position. Cedar meats = debacle. And the cases arising from security guards at 2 hotel quarantine facilities is another health department disaster.
These issues and transfer within families is closer to the mark. This news item is from May 13 - Cedar Meats held an indoor meeting of 260 workers on May 1 apparently to learn where they could get tested and how to self-isolate. This was held just TWO days after the site was ordered to shut down and just days before dozens of workers tested positive. In the period May 4-8 more than 60 of the total 85 cluster cases were recorded. Couldn't they think of a safer way to give that information? Incompetence of Cedar Meats' management or insufficient advice from the Health Department? Either way it certainly was a debacle that is still being felt in the Northern/Western suburbs.
 
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Antivaxer & World No 1 tennis player Novak Djokovic has tested positive & a whole heap of the players he invited to an unsanctioned tennis exibition tournament that he arranged. Djokovic's pregnant wife is also infected.

CoVidiot.

 
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Antivaxer & World No 1 tennis player Novak Djokovic has tested positive & a whole heap of the players he invited to an unsanctioned tennis exibition tournament that he arranged. Djokovic's pregnant wife is also infected.

CoVidiot.


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anyhoo here's some data showing the BLM protests didn't change people's mobility behaviour much. Like not at all.

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Of course it could just be a big leftist coverup
 
The reality is that the cases we are seeing at the moment indicate that the virus does not spread so easily in a large outdoor gathering where people are mixing for short amounts of time. The cases we are seeing indicate the biggest risk is a group of people who are together for an extended period of time, such as a family gathering, workplace, a workplace meeting. Schools also don't seem to be hotbeds of spread either, which is an interesting one since the kids are together for period of time but, then again, there are breaks.

As for the spread from hotels holding quarantined people returning from overseas, a better argument against contracting everything out to the lowest bidder would be hard to find. I blame neo-liberalism, years ago we would have had well organised quarantine not putting people up in hotels. In fact, years ago we had an infectious dieases hospital built just for this sort of thing (thanks Jeff, you *smile*).

Evidence of the way this spreads is getting better but we are still testing hypotheses.

As for the increase in Victoria, let's keep this in perspective, we were getting around 100 cases a day when it hit bad, and currently Texas has moved up to 5,0000 cases in one day. It is still low, now is the time to nail it down again.

There is a fair bit of luck involved here and while there is a lot of crap being thrown at Victoria at the moment, I will be surprised if the numbers don't increase in other states sooner or later. The second wave is coming and we need to control it, the second wave will come elsewhere too. As for the USA, they are still dealing, very badly, with the first wave.

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anyhoo here's some data showing the BLM protests didn't change people's mobility behaviour much. Like not at all.

All that shows is that those using the app/providing the data (aka responsible Victorians) didn't alter their behaviour after the protest. Which points even more starkly to the protest itself discharging a paroxysm of disease.

If I was wilfully inflicting pestilence upon the general public, I certainly wouldn't be downloading an app to tell the government about it.

Dirty, filthy, selfish lefties.
 
Second lockdown harder, more complicated than the first (paywalled)

Melbourne is dangerously close to a second hard lockdown as the virus spreads across more than 20 per cent of the city’s population.

Behind the scenes, the government is spooked by the challenges, modelling worst case scenarios that are ugly.

The double digit growth in infections is striking in complex communities, with ethnic groups attributing most of the new cases to the relaxation of the restrictions that have occurred in recent weeks.

Health experts are widely acknowledging that there is less than a month for the Victorian government to get on top of the virus’s spread, largely in Melbourne’s outer suburbs to the northwest and to the southeast.

The hit on the sclerotic Australian economy would be significant if large parts of the city were forced back into a hard lockdown.

While experts seem to be suggesting that any lockdowns might start in the worst-affected LGAs, there is a broader issue happening in society.

The LGA maps show that the transmissions are spreading closer to the city and other areas are starting to show worrying signs.

Andrews’ problem in containing the community will be the many mixed messages that his government has already sent.

Less social distancing, more unnecessary movements, more retail therapy and more trips to coffee shops.

The roads have started to clog and people seemed to think that going to a large-scale protest march was a good idea.

These factors combine to make any second lockdown more complicated than the first, exacerbating the economic impact and raising doubts about whether it can be enforced.
 
All that shows is that those using the app/providing the data (aka responsible Victorians) didn't alter their behaviour after the protest. Which points even more starkly to the protest itself discharging a paroxysm of disease.

If I was wilfully inflicting pestilence upon the general public, I certainly wouldn't be downloading an app to tell the government about it.

Dirty, filthy, selfish lefties.
Dont forget the meatworkers. So many cases from the abatoirs. Dirty bloody smelly meatworkers.

And tennis players. Dirty stinky selfish tennis pros
 
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All that shows is that those using the app/providing the data (aka responsible Victorians) didn't alter their behaviour after the protest. Which points even more starkly to the protest itself discharging a paroxysm of disease.

If I was wilfully inflicting pestilence upon the general public, I certainly wouldn't be downloading an app to tell the government about it.

Dirty, filthy, selfish lefties.

You have to understand how disingenuous you are being.

There is no evidence that the BLM protests had any impact whatsoever. None.

And the worst part of this is, you know that. It pisses me off enough when dumb people are dumb, but you are not an idiot. You're just being really dishonest.
 
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You have to understand how disingenuous you are being.

There is no evidence that the BLM protests had any impact whatsoever. None.

And the worst part of this is, you know that. It pisses me off enough when dumb people are dumb, but you are not an idiot. You're just being really dishonest.

I published a chart which at face value is absolutely damning. You say coincidence; I say it’s simpler than that.

Plenty called out the obvious consequence at the time, and now that the obvious has ensued, some don’t want to see it. That’s OK, it’s a free world and that’s what discussion boards are for. But I will continue to maintain that every last person who attended that protest was either stupid, selfish, or both.
 
VicHealth has said those four cases were not connected to BLM, which probably indicates they are aware they got infected through family/work or other known sources.

The data just doesn't support it - Lee is trying to force the data to fit his political opinion, and that ain't rational.

Vic Health dept can't even monitor quarantine without promoting cases. They *smile* up at Cedar meats. Not sure I'd trust much that comes out of the health dept.

I agree that you & DS on infections appearing to be mainly spread from close contact indoors. Whilst the protests ahould not have gone ahead it doesn't appear they are a mass spreading event. The message needs to go out to the migrant/ethnic community to stop large family events.

Maybe have ads with Joe Dolce singing Shutupyaplace?

The far right should be happy, doubt many will have much close contact with the immigrant/ethnic community.
 
Looking into the future we might need to rethink the usage of "avoid it like the plague", because we don't seem too fussed.
 
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