Coronavirus

[spook]

The dirty, filthy lefties at the Fin Review think we'll avoid a second wave lockdown. But they'd probs be ok with a few extra deaths for a few extra bucks.

Infection blips on the radar but no second wave storm

Given what's occurred in comparable countries, Australia is unlikely to need another lockdown to keep COVID-19 under control.

www.afr.com

 

[AngryAnt]

All that shows is that those using the app/providing the data (aka responsible Victorians) didn't alter their behaviour after the protest. Which points even more starkly to the protest itself discharging a paroxysm of disease.

If I was wilfully inflicting pestilence upon the general public, I certainly wouldn't be downloading an app to tell the government about it.

Dirty, filthy, selfish lefties.

No, it's Apple's mobility data, so anyone using an iPhone you absolute numpty.

I'll post the Google data soon so be careful what you say.

 

[Harry]

world wide cases and deaths on the increase. If a vaccine isn't found in 12 months this thing will kill another 2M people - at least.

 

[AngryAnt]

Vic Health dept can't even monitor quarantine without promoting cases. They *smile* up at Cedar meats. Not sure I'd trust much that comes out of the health dept.

I agree that you & DS on infections appearing to be mainly spread from close contact indoors. Whilst the protests ahould not have gone ahead it doesn't appear they are a mass spreading event. The message needs to go out to the migrant/ethnic community to stop large family events.

Maybe have ads with Joe Dolce singing Shutupyaplace?

The far right should be happy, doubt many will have much close contact with the immigrant/ethnic community.

In world terms we've done extremely well, so don't really get this type of angst MD. Contact tracing is difficult so there will always be some unknowns.

If our government is really so malicious and deceptive they wouldn't report spreading from the quarantime hotels via security guard stuff-ups at all.

Given the large numbers of positive returning travellers quarantined you'd have to call the policy a resounding success, so credit to the federal government on that as well.

 

[MD Jazz]

VicHealth has said those four cases were not connected to BLM, which probably indicates they are aware they got infected through family/work or other known sources.

The data just doesn't support it - Lee is trying to force the data to fit his political opinion, and that ain't rational.

As an aside, I'm looking forward to Van Diemen changing her surname soon due to its offensive nature to traditional owners in Tas.

 

[MD Jazz]

sounds too me like $19 an hour security guards, sharing cigarettes with people The Plague?

Most things do come back to human error. And robots don't smoke.

 

[eZyT]

Most things do come back to human error. And robots don't smoke.

and theres also no relationship between hourly rate and human error I dont think.

Take that High Court judge that Howard put on the bench, Dirty Dyson. He'd be on $500 an hour,

and he apparently thought 20 yo intelligent woman would want to massage his enlarged prostate during work?

That's some error.

 

[AngryAnt]

and theres also no relationship between hourly rate and human error I dont think.

Take that High Court judge that Howard put on the bench, Dirty Dyson. He'd be on $500 an hour,

and he apparently thought 20 yo intelligent woman would want to massage his enlarged prostate during work?

That's some error.

One he repeated on a daily basis for many years apparently

 

[MD Jazz]

In world terms we've done extremely well, so don't really get this type of angst MD. Contact tracing is difficult so there will always be some unknowns.

If our government is really so malicious and deceptive they wouldn't report spreading from the quarantime hotels via security guard stuff-ups at all.

Given the large numbers of positive returning travellers quarantined you'd have to call the policy a resounding success, so credit to the federal government on that as well.

More incompetent than malicious. Can just imagine they hired the guards with little to no training or instruction. Probably not supplied the proper PPE.

 

[MD Jazz]

Given the large numbers of positive returning travellers quarantined you'd have to call the policy a resounding success, so credit to the federal government on that as well.

Have other states had similar issues with people infected by quarantined travellers? VIC seem to luck out everywhere with corona.

 

[22nd Man]

Vic Health dept can't even monitor quarantine without promoting cases. They *smile* up at Cedar meats. Not sure I'd trust much that comes out of the health dept.

I agree that you & DS on infections appearing to be mainly spread from close contact indoors. Whilst the protests ahould not have gone ahead it doesn't appear they are a mass spreading event. The message needs to go out to the migrant/ethnic community to stop large family events.

Maybe have ads with Joe Dolce singing Shutupyaplace?

The far right should be happy, doubt many will have much close contact with the immigrant/e

Hey I was called a racist on this forum back in January for suggesting that Comms had to be in languages other English so be prepared MDJ.

 

[AngryAnt]

Hey I was called a racist on this forum back in January for suggesting that Comms had to be in languages other English so be prepared MDJ.

Really? Seems a strange take.

If migrant communities are the focus of the current spread then they should get more comms and direct assistance through contact tracing etc.

 

[AngryAnt]

I published a chart which at face value is absolutely damning. You say coincidence; I say it’s simpler than that.

Plenty called out the obvious consequence at the time, and now that the obvious has ensued, some don’t want to see it. That’s OK, it’s a free world and that’s what discussion boards are for. But I will continue to maintain that every last person who attended that protest was either stupid, selfish, or both.

Here's the Google mobility data - doesn't extend much past the BLM date but same trends as the Apple mobility data.

The excellent Ketan Joshi has written a good article here laying out the falsity of the right-wing polly's assertions that the BLM protest have caused a mass collapse of discipline - it clearly didn't. And we see the same data patterns in the other states.

No, protest didn’t make Australians complacent (democracy isn’t as deadly as they say it is)

As a follow up to my previous and very long post about Australia’s racist response to Black Lives Matter protests, it’s time for a very short one to address a new myth. The narrative go…

ketanjoshi.co

 

[Coburgtiger]

I published a chart which at face value is absolutely damning. You say coincidence; I say it’s simpler than that.

Plenty called out the obvious consequence at the time, and now that the obvious has ensued, some don’t want to see it. That’s OK, it’s a free world and that’s what discussion boards are for. But I will continue to maintain that every last person who attended that protest was either stupid, selfish, or both.

Your chart was nonsense. You know that.



Draw your own conclusions.

 

[MD Jazz]

"The myth is emerging because people react to the sight of Indigenous Australians demanding the right to be heard with a racist anxiety"

I hope he isn't lumping everyone in to this basket?

 

[AngryAnt]

"The myth is emerging because people react to the sight of Indigenous Australians demanding the right to be heard with a racist anxiety"

I hope he isn't lumping everyone in to this basket?

No.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Draw your own conclusions.

This isn't even a strawman, it's an hyperbole of a strawman.

 

[Coburgtiger]

This isn't even a strawman, it's an hyperbole of a strawman.

It follows the exact same logic as yours.

Event A happened. Event B happened with no causal link between them.


I'll follow this up by asking, you were upset by 10,000 people gathering in the city. How many people do you think will walk the CBD streets today? How many people do you think moved through Highpoint or Chadstone over the weekend?

 

[AngryAnt]

More incompetent than malicious. Can just imagine they hired the guards with little to no training or instruction. Probably not supplied the proper PPE.

Given what I know about the security industry I'm amazed it's gone so well. EzyT is not far off I reckon

 

[MD Jazz]

It follows the exact same logic as yours.

Event A happened. Event B happened with no causal link between them.

Almost the same logic that VIC has had a spike in cases because people agitated for golf.