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In early April when West Europe and NY was at peak ....daily deaths were about 7500 to new cases around 75,000. Ie 1/10 ratio.
Now that daily rate of new cases is around 150k per day deaths are at 5k ....a ratio of 1/30.
And given the bulk of infections now are in Mebourne, the US and other countries with third world medical systems why this apparent "improvement" in preventing deaths? Techniques in treatment improved, earlier detection, younger populations?
 
22nd Man said:
Singapore 6 times number of our cases 1/4 of the deaths. Better doctors? Healthier people? Testing rate is not much more than ours so there is genuinely more cases, so why aren't they dieing at least at our (super low) rate.
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No. Most of the cases are amount the foreign workers who live in tightly packed dorms. On average below 30, fit manual laborers. There's also a very high concentration of medical staff on hand to detect and treat them. The virus is making it's way through the dorms where there are about 300k people living.
 
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Coburgtiger said:
Well the article specifically says trump voters are less likely to practice social distancing or take measures to protect themselves or others from the virus.

Which is why I wondered whether you read it.
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Was posted for the raw data, which I suggested was worth “pondering”.The unsupported contention you’ve mentioned is not logically consistent with the data and implies that the figures would be even more lop-sided if it wasn’t the case. It’s classic modern left-wing spin journalism, devoid of reason.

There are other possible causes for the imbalance but this one makes no sense whatever.
 
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
Was posted for the raw data, which I suggested was worth “pondering”.The unsupported contention you’ve mentioned is not logically consistent with the data and implies that the figures would be even more lop-sided if it wasn’t the case. It’s classic modern left-wing spin journalism, devoid of reason.

There are other possible causes for the imbalance but this one makes no sense whatever.
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Having read the article, it's pretty impartial. It presents the data openly and gives equal time to Dems/Republicans to give their opinions.

The states with large urban centres like New York and California are usually Dem controlled. They are also the cities/states with the largest international traffic. Makes sense the virus found its foothold in these places first, and before even the weak controls put in place by the USA took effect.

That data is nearly one month old now, which is a long time in COVID19 terms. Recent data shows these states have declining cases/deaths while the big Red states like Florida and Texas are really spiking hard.
 
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antman said:
Having read the article, it's politically impartial. It presents the data openly and gives equal time to Dems/Republicans to give their opinions.

The states with large urban centres like New York and California are usually Dem controlled. They are also the cities/states with the largest international traffic. Makes sense the virus found its foothold in these places first, and before even the weak controls put in place by the USA took effect.

That data is nearly one month old now, which is a long time in COVID19 terms. Recent data shows these states have declining cases/deaths while the big Red states like Florida and Texas are really spiking hard.
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Republicans are more likely to be in the "at risk" age demographic and have taken greater care to protect themselves. It's the most obvious and most likely explanation, with several related themes springing from it.
 
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LeeToRainesToRoach said:
Republicans are more likely to be in the "at risk" age demographic and have taken greater care to protect themselves. It's the most obvious and most likely explanation, with several related themes springing from it.
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The most obvious and most likely? Why? Because you say so? My guess is that it spreads faster in urban, densely populated areas, unless you have great lockdown and track and trace. Republican counties are in states that were affected later, time will tell if they get hit hard.

I love the vagueness of "several related themes springing from it". Classic right-wing sh*tposting, devoid of reason.
 
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
Not addressing the question, is it?

The most important thing for a majority of young people is finding their next root. You know it's true.
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Ok, but we were actually talking about the relative impact of C19 on dem/rep states, not whatever it is you find interesting in your spare time.
 
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antman said:
Classic right-wing sh*tposting, devoid of reason.
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Classic right winger decides to prove his case for him.

LeeToRainesToRoach said:
Proposition: Young people care less about other people in general.

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LeeToRainesToRoach said:
Not addressing the question, is it?

The most important thing for a majority of young people is finding their next root. You know it's true.
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I'll add: classic right wing diversion when it is pointed out their assertions are totally and utterly baseless.

DS
 
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I still maintain demographics, population density, lockdown track and trace policy and so on are the most important factors regarding spread of C19, but if Lee wants to go with "young people just want to bone" that's his prerogative
 
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antman said:
I still maintain demographics, population density, lockdown track and trace policy and so on are the most important factors regarding spread of C19, but if Lee wants to go with "young people just want to bone" that's his prerogative
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Most of the protesters were young. They were either too stupid to understand the danger or they just didn't give a sh!t. Which is it?
 
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
Most of the protesters were young. They were either too stupid to understand the danger or they just didn't give a sh!t. Which is it?
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You are devolving into crazy old man territory here.

If you think that young people don't care about our world, you haven't spent enough time with them.

If you think that conservative's are the ones with a social conscience than that's your world view and that's fine. It's got nothing to do with this virus.

If you're posting about American stats, and are upset about' protesters' who are putting everyone at risk, who are putting their own interests above the lives of others, then surely you're referring to the protesters who marched with guns to get the country open and stop lock down measures because of their own self interests, not those who marched to get people other than themselves equality?

You have to, have to, see the inconsistecy in what you're saying.
 
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Coburgtiger said:
If you think that young people don't care about our world, you haven't spent enough time with them.
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Eh, I play cricket with dozens of them and know what they think. Most of them care, but not enough to understand the issues in any depth. Much easier to parrot what they hear on the news or at uni.

Once they get a bit older and have families of their own to care for and learn how the world really works, they shed liberal political beliefs like they forget the hip-hop sh!t they listened to when they were young. "Defund the police" is seen for the lunacy that it is.

You on the other hand, as a teacher, see them out the door with all sorts of warped beliefs rampant in today's education systems.
 
Coburgtiger said:
I'll preface this by saying that as much as I support the reasoning for the BLM protests, it was the wrong time to have a large gathering of people. There were other ways to protest.

But you are absolutely stretching into your own ideology and bias if you think it had anything to do with the current spike.

No one who went transmitted it to anyone else who went, as far as we know.

Some people are just trying to use it for political point scoring, which is especially dumb seeing as the protests were discouraged by the premier. But again, it's irrelevant.

It does make me laugh in a sad nihilist sort of way when I see the car parks at Highpoint filled to the brim, school's packed to the rafters, and people cramming into each other's homes for dinner parties every day. Then people think a couple of hour out door protest has anywhere near the impact.

People just don't understand infectious disease.
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great post. let me add to it.

So the timeline is basically this:

- 4 weeks ago, everyone was demanding Andrews ease restrictions. Apparently, Victoria had the harshest restrictions (because you had selfish d!ckheads complaining about not being allowed to play golf), despite not closing its borders.

- a few days later Andrews announces the start of easing from June 1, with more to come on June 22

- Andrews tells people not to attend BLM protests on June 6, but it goes ahead anyway. 3 people catch COVID. People are outraged.

- Cases spike somewhat in the last few days. People are outraged. The same people demanding Andrews ease restrictions 4 weeks ago are blaming him for the spike.

- On the weekend, Andrews releases a statement saying the data is telling us that people are congregating at home and creating clusters. Restrictions are slightly tightened to restrict people from visiting in large numbers. People blinded by outrage wilfully ignore this and continue to blame the BLM protesters.
 
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