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LeeToRainesToRoach said:
He gave the green light to protesters by giving a guarantee they would not be fined. Then made a show of trying to backtrack at the last minute when he knew it was too late.

I'm consciously holding back on what I really think of the protesters and Dan Andrews in the name of civility. If I posted what I believe it'd make your eyes bleed.
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Let me guess, we're being attacked by them too?
 
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
Let's just say the protesters are selfish halfwits enabled by weak leadership and leave it at that.
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I'll preface this by saying that as much as I support the reasoning for the BLM protests, it was the wrong time to have a large gathering of people. There were other ways to protest.

But you are absolutely stretching into your own ideology and bias if you think it had anything to do with the current spike.

No one who went transmitted it to anyone else who went, as far as we know.

Some people are just trying to use it for political point scoring, which is especially dumb seeing as the protests were discouraged by the premier. But again, it's irrelevant.

It does make me laugh in a sad nihilist sort of way when I see the car parks at Highpoint filled to the brim, school's packed to the rafters, and people cramming into each other's homes for dinner parties every day. Then people think a couple of hour out door protest has anywhere near the impact.

People just don't understand infectious disease.
 
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LeeToRainesToRoach said:
I really can't be bothered arguing today, got things to do. I'll just leave this NYT assessment for you to ponder.

The Coronavirus Is Deadliest Where Democrats Live
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Did you read that article?

I'm not sure it supports whatever point it was you were making. The headline's a bit of clickbait.

Also, would you like to suggest any evidence as to how the BLM protests caused any damage whatsoever in terms of viral spread? Seeing as most cases have happened due to the fact that household/lifestyle restrictions were eased nationally?
 
DavidSSS said:
No evidence the H&M worker was infectious when at the rally, no evidence anyone has caught it at the rally. Assertions without evidence are just that: assertions, in fact, baseless assertions.

Victoria has had 1,817 test positive in a population of around 5.7 million.
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121 active cases in Victoria for a population of 5,700,000

So the odds are one in 47,000 of having the virus.

Yet three people who attended and infected a 4th person are in the group of 121

ABC news reported 10,000 attended the protest. So one 3,333 chance of having/getting the virus if you attended.

I hope you don’t deal with numbers in your day job David.
 
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MB78 said:
121 active cases in Victoria for a population of 5,700,000

So the odds are one in 47,000 of having the virus.

Yet three people who attended and infected a 4th person are in the group of 121

ABC news reported 10,000 attended the protest. So one 3,333 chance of having/getting the virus if you attended.

I hope you don’t deal with numbers in your day job David.
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Speaking of numbers, with such incredibly small numbers testing positive and the uncertainties of asymptomatic people from both groups remaining untested, these kinds of comparisons are virtually meaningless.

What the current thinking tells us is that chances of transmission of COVID19 are much higher the longer you spend with someone in a confined space, so it's likely the community transmissions are from family/worker transmissions rather than random people spending short periods of time near each other outside.
 
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antman said:
Thank goodness, I'm sure the emotional impact of your harsh words would have scarred us forever
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Coburgtiger said:
I'll preface this by saying that as much as I support the reasoning for the BLM protests, it was the wrong time to have a large gathering of people. There were other ways to protest.

But you are absolutely stretching into your own ideology and bias if you think it had anything to do with the current spike.

No one who went transmitted it to anyone else who went, as far as we know.

Some people are just trying to use it for political point scoring, which is especially dumb seeing as the protests were discouraged by the premier. But again, it's irrelevant.

It does make me laugh in a sad nihilist sort of way when I see the car parks at Highpoint filled to the brim, school's packed to the rafters, and people cramming into each other's homes for dinner parties every day. Then people think a couple of hour out door protest has anywhere near the impact.

People just don't understand infectious disease.
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CoburgTiger, you are using facts. Not a good strategy, they don't like facts, supposition and misuse of numbers is the stock in trade.

You'll get nowhere arguing science if it doesn't fit their agenda.

DS
 
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
Of course I *smile* well read it. I just drew a different conclusion born of 51 years of observation: that coronavirus follows the path it does because lefties are big on individual rights while being oh so short on personal responsibility.
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Well the article specifically says trump voters are less likely to practice social distancing or take measures to protect themselves or others from the virus.

Which is why I wondered whether you read it.
 
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
It was a test of his leadership. He failed. Bad.
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I'm wondering why I've only heard you complain about the protests, when it seems that it's significantly more dangerous for h&m to be open. And easily less important.

Similarly, the unnecessary reopening of schools before the end of term has been infinitely more of an issue than the protests.

I consider this to be a failure on Dan's part, though it did result from incredible pressure to do so from our federal leaders.
 
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I thought Victoria had the most or equal most stringent restrictions and kept them longer than other states.
Other stats to support the second wave threat. ....2 people in Vic in ICU ....5 in hospital ....last death 30 days ago (in Aust but let's assume it was Victoria to paint the worst case scenario)
Death rate and case rate per million in .the 120-140 range...no point splitting hairs when so far from the top (bad) rungs. NZ in same bracket on both.
 
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Singapore 6 times number of our cases 1/4 of the deaths. Better doctors? Healthier people? Testing rate is not much more than ours so there is genuinely more cases, so why aren't they dieing at least at our (super low) rate.
 
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