I play golf, live in Melbourne Eastern suburbs and our club is circulating a petition that has also gone out to many Vic clubs trying to get signatures to encourage Dan to allow us Vics to join other states in lifting the ban on May 11. Just golf of course, keeping social distancing and no food and drinks after the game.
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Guys Guys Guys .. have so many mates in Melbourne complaining to me about not being able to play golf .. Here you need permit to go to the supermarket .. have to sign in when you go.. can only go once a week same with atm etc .. police, army patrols.. its like a ghost town here and we cant leave the area with out a special permit and a very good reason to leave town .. only supermarket ( only one in town -and its very low on stock only can food left mainly baked beans and corned beef in cans . No bead ,fresh food ,coffee, milk ,pasta ,rice etc etc ) petrol stations and bank only open .. cant go for walk outside , all bottle shops closed till Nov at least .( making some apple home brew atm) . no public gatherings of over 10 ppl till Nov so no work for me and hard on this town as its a tourist town .. and no travel to other areas to at least Nov at least cant visit anyone etc. So i've been all alone 6 weeks so far 3 weeks to go . .. but ppl here understand its for the good .. and he have a great community here so many ppl have been checking on me via messenger,phone and whats up ...still hoping there be flights out of Melbourne in June as Wife still stuck in Melbourne still in Kelior .. Anyway only 23 cases in Botswana all in Gaborone the capital 950 ks from Nata. 1 death ,8 recoveries no new cases for 2 weeks so its working ..it's not easy but its working .
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The Federal Government is grandstanding.
In any case, what is this crap about states needing to be in alignment. Are you seriously telling me that if, for example, WA has no new cases for 2 weeks and reopens their schools that all other states should follow if they are getting large numbers of new cases? Or maybe WA should be prevented from opening their schools if there are lots of cases in other states?
A rational response is to tailor the response to the situation in different places. One size fits all is silly.
In Victoria the government declared a state of emergency until May 11, the Federal government are undermining this.
It is also rational to get data before making decisions. The Victorian government have ramped up testing to collect the data so they can make informed decisions when the state of emergency ends. What is so good about the Federal government's data and opinions that it overrides this?
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mate you've called everyone biased but yourself, because your just keeping it balanced with criticism of Andrews.
You have dismissed everyone else opinion, including on the chief medical officer protocols from those who work in the medical sector, on virus transmission from scientists and posters who have detailed how the other states are aligned.
Are you the only one who wants to scrutinize Dan?.... no but its mostly against scomo because of his performance.
Are the other states aligned with the PM? No just look at the nsw and the feud with the feds.
Maybe you want to play golf and shop at bunnings?
or maybe the idea of a state of emergency is that we all need to see this through to the end?
Case count (8am)
3,559,593 cases
247,994 deaths (6.97%)
50,041 severe (1%)
2,109,138 mild (59%)
1,152,320 recovered (32%)
3,559,593 cases
247,994 deaths (6.97%)
50,041 severe (1%)
2,109,138 mild (59%)
1,152,320 recovered (32%)
Yes Victoria's numbers have turned in a negative way over the past few days. 7 new cases on Saturday, 13 on Sunday and 22 today. That's a significant increase in what we were seeing and doesn't augur well for the lifting of restrictions.
That said if they are confident the vast majority are linked to the meatworks then they may still be able to lift the restrictions. The real issue is how active this insidious virus is in the community; that is extremely hard to pin down.
Can't see how this will end soon. It just takes one active case and it can explode again very quickly. I can see restriction being eased, cases rising and restrictions imposed again, back to where we are now.
The positive is that they think it's locked down. Testing continues to increase. Still they must be worried cause it does have the potential to get away quickly again.
In other news for those saying re-opening schools is fine..
Sydney school closes after student tests positive to coronavirus
A Sydney public school has closed after a student tested positive to coronavirus, days after term 2 started.
www.sbs.com.au
And opening/lifting restrictions a second time will be a lot tougher. Small businesses who only just make it back would fail if they had to close again. Really, now is the time to be more cautious about returning. Rushing now will make the sacrifices of the last few weeks a complete waste.
yeah, I think polling shows the vast majority of people would rather front end the hardship on this thing.
Victoria has seen a pretty big increase in testing over the last few days, so a relatively slight increase in detected cases could be a good sign that they're getting a clearer picture of the virus in the community.
Don't disagree with that. But there is dispute amongst experts about children's role in the spread. Until thorough peer reviewed studies are done I cannot see that changing. And perhaps the virus behaves differently in different populations so there will never be consensus? This risk is here to stay until a vaccine is developed. Even then it won't prevent people dying. Unless we get to 0 new infections and effectively eliminate the virus I don't see how we can open up schools at all under the thinking of most on here?
In regards to track and trace hopefully everyone has downloaded the app to assist in this process.
Not sure people think the virus will just disappear, I think people are acutely aware of the risk and much more prepared when they leave their homes. I see more people wearing gloves and masks now than ever. I see almost all shops with screens/sanitiser. (Haven't seen anyone buying disinfectant in bulk or sunbeds.).
The whole Dan Tehan thing was hilarious. Goes all out in Insiders trying to tear Andrews a new one on schools, only to have to walk it back the same day after the positive test in the Victorian school. And have no doubt - the PMs office would have pushed him to do this, and then suggested he make the retraction when it all went tits-up.
I've given ScoMo some credit in all this so far - he learnt from the bushfires debacle that to do something is much better than doing nothing, and merely pointing fingers and avoiding responsibility. You can argue about the stimulus package and certain measures, but at least he and Frydenberg took action. The Dan Tehan thing showed he's still trying to play politics though, particularly against Labor premiers who appear to be doing a good job. We need less of this and more cooperation, and an understanding that different states will necessarily take different approaches to a certain extent.
Dan Andrews played it absolutely right - said he'll just get on with the job and Tehan and others can continue to play politics if they want - he'll focus on doing his job.
I've given ScoMo some credit in all this so far - he learnt from the bushfires debacle that to do something is much better than doing nothing, and merely pointing fingers and avoiding responsibility. You can argue about the stimulus package and certain measures, but at least he and Frydenberg took action. The Dan Tehan thing showed he's still trying to play politics though, particularly against Labor premiers who appear to be doing a good job. We need less of this and more cooperation, and an understanding that different states will necessarily take different approaches to a certain extent.
Dan Andrews played it absolutely right - said he'll just get on with the job and Tehan and others can continue to play politics if they want - he'll focus on doing his job.
Yes I have no doubt the increase in cases is due to increased testing even leaving the meatworks case aside.
The National Cabinet has had to lead Morrison by the nose to do anything. The only credit I'll give him is for wanting the National Cabinet to continue after this is over. We knew from the way his election campaign hid every single other government member that he had zero faith in his own Cabinet, and with good reason - they're useless. He must be desperate to continue working with competent policy makers who make him look good.
It was like in basketball, fouled after slotting in a 3pt and getting another shot at the free throw line.
Looking forward to MD Jazz coming in and telling us how this was all really a massive win for Tehan and ScoMo though.
