Coronavirus

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Case count (6am)

3,383,588 cases
238,593 deaths (7.05%)
50,005 severe (2%)
2,0220,669 mild (60%)
1,072,321 recovered (32%)

 

[eZyT]

COVID 19 has killed 93 Australians, none of which are Indigenous as far as I’m aware.

Plus the ruby princess never hit any reefs.

 

[MD Jazz]

Welcome to Victoria, the Doomsday State

Daniel Andrews has been a strong leader in a crisis. Will he trust Victorians to take things from here?

www.theage.com.au

 

[Brodders17]

Some science on the school debate:
"Researchers who analysed data on infected people found that the viral loads in children differed little from those in adults. Opening schools on the assumption that children are less likely to spread the virus was therefore ill-advised, said Christian Drosten, a virologist and Germany’s leading coronavirus expert, who led the team. "

European schools get ready to reopen despite concern about pupils spreading Covid-19

Germany’s top coronavirus expert says children play as big a role as adults in spread

www.theguardian.com

 

[tigerlove]

Sweden hey? The country that has 40% of the population of Australia? Yet has 3 times more COVID-19 infections than Australia? Yet has 27 times more COVID-19 deaths than Australia? Yet has 15 times more active cases than Australia?

Yep their all over this thing in Sweden

If you want to argue your case with any merit you may want to hold up a better example than Sweden.

Sweden's a basket case. They're in big trouble. 7th most deaths per capita and it's not getting better. Will likely end up exceeding Italy for deaths per capita.

 

[tigerlove]

There are some countries way behind on testing. I was reading over the weekend that the UK have only just opened up testing for all medical personnel that haven't been overseas or in contact with someone from overseas. At the same time Australia is planning on testing anyone that has any symptoms. Would explain why our rate of testing per million people is about double the UK. It sounds like testing in Australia will most likely double over the next 2 weeks from where we are currently so somewhere around 1m tests.

UK will end up the worst affected in Europe it appears. Or Russia as I'm sure Russia isn't reporting accurately.

 

[tigerlove]

Wonder what number of sickness and deaths related to digesting Disinfectant .. Esp in the US is over the last few days

If only Trump would lead by example and prove the disinfectant theory on himself.

 

[tigerlove]

Yes but what about per capita (as the Trump supporters bemoan)

Trump hasn't won the ultimate per capita prize yet but he will. New York cases finally levelling off but the slack being picked up by other states now. They could well and truly be at 100k within 3 weeks especially now states are relaxing restrictions despite no control over source of spread of infection.

 

[DavidSSS]

Trump hasn't won the ultimate per capita prize yet but he will. New York cases finally levelling off but the slack being picked up by other states now. They could well and truly be at 100k within 3 weeks especially now states are relaxing restrictions despite no control over source of spread of infection.

Too true, relaxing social distancing in the USA now is insanity.

DS

 

[tigerlove]

Thats interesting cos the richmond firey's reckon theres been a major improvement. I walk past there all the time and all I see is drug ****** zombies. Doesnt bother me in the slightest.

I guess you don't have kids. The location is a joke. I also lived and worked in Richmond near Victoria Street for a long time. Had to move when I had kids. Encouraging more junkies to the area is no help even if they are over dosing in a controlled environment.

 

[MD Jazz]

Some science on the school debate:
"Researchers who analysed data on infected people found that the viral loads in children differed little from those in adults. Opening schools on the assumption that children are less likely to spread the virus was therefore ill-advised, said Christian Drosten, a virologist and Germany’s leading coronavirus expert, who led the team. "

European schools get ready to reopen despite concern about pupils spreading Covid-19

Germany’s top coronavirus expert says children play as big a role as adults in spread

www.theguardian.com

I thought all experts agreed on this stuff. Apparently not.

This is why children in schools have been largely unaffected by coronavirus

As some states' schools prepare to reopen their doors from early May, epidemiologists say there's more and more evidence that children typically do not spread COVID-19.

www.sbs.com.au

 

[spook]

Well, if the experts can't agree, we should definitely go with the ones who if wrong will cause the most harm.

 

[tigermike]

Trump making his beloved Breitbart looking silly now. This was their take on the Trump comment before he came out with the "sarcastic" comment.



It was a truly memorable presser yesterday. Even Fox baulked at what Trump said about injecting.

One potential positive side effect of all this is that the people who listen to Trump and act on his words are most likely Trump voters. If he keeps offering his gut feel medical advice there won't be many trump voters left come November.

That's what we would hope for but his loyal supporters don't care what he says at these press conferences because they truly believe he just says nonsense to stir the reporters. They only care about keeping their jobs and the economy which in their eyes was going great before the virus hit. Will their be enough swinging voters to change or more Democrats to bother voting?

 

[tigerdell]

That's what we would hope for but his loyal supporters don't care what he says at these press conferences because they truly believe he just says nonsense to stir the reporters. They only care about keeping their jobs and the economy which in their eyes was going great before the virus hit. Will their be enough swinging voters to change or more Democrats to bother voting?

dont forget about the rapture. The second coming can only happen once Jerusalem is rebuilt (or whatever) so the US embassy was moved. Now we just gotta wait for the plagues (got it) pestilence (waiting) and the final war before some folks go to sky

And he helps out with abortion rules, so he has enough votes in hand to win again

 

[Jake]

Sweden's a basket case. They're in big trouble. 7th most deaths per capita and it's not getting better. Will likely end up exceeding Italy for deaths per capita.

By these figures Belgium are in front by a mile.

COVID Live Update: 209,896,898 Cases and 4,402,084 Deaths from the Coronavirus - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

 

[MD Jazz]

Well, if the experts can't agree, we should definitely go with the ones who if wrong will cause the most harm.

Pretty simplistic. Harm as defined by? Deaths alone?

Just wanted to point out that not all health experts agree, and it's an unenviable position politicians are in trying to get the balance right. The criticism of the federal gov't is way out of whack IMO and almost entirely on the basis of political bias. I hear little but praise for Mark McGowan (and rightly so) who appears in step with the rest of Aust. Perhaps he could have a chat to Dan.

How long do we wait for? Are definitive peer reviewed studies on children and covid-19 are going to be available in a month? Two months? A year? Or are we waiting until 0 new infections Aust wide for at least a month? Is that even possible?

How many children and families are suffering from the school closures? What is the long term impact on them? Where does the balance sit?

I think people are much better informed about behaviour and risk and we need to start trusting them more to do the right thing.

 

[kyuss]

I guess you don't have kids. The location is a joke. I also lived and worked in Richmond near Victoria Street for a long time. Had to move when I had kids. Encouraging more junkies to the area is no help even if they are over dosing in a controlled environment.

What would the junkies have done to your kids?

 

[spook]

Pretty simplistic. Harm as defined by? Deaths alone?

Just wanted to point out that not all health experts agree, and it's an unenviable position politicians are in trying to get the balance right. The criticism of the federal gov't is way out of whack IMO and almost entirely on the basis of political bias. I hear little but praise for Mark McGowan (and rightly so) who appears in step with the rest of Aust. Perhaps he could have a chat to Dan.

How long do we wait for? Are definitive peer reviewed studies on children and covid-19 are going to be available in a month? Two months? A year? Or are we waiting until 0 new infections Aust wide for at least a month? Is that even possible?

How many children and families are suffering from the school closures? What is the long term impact on them? Where does the balance sit?

I think people are much better informed about behaviour and risk and we need to start trusting them more to do the right thing.

I would think deaths - or to put it another way, lives - are the most important consideration, yes.

South Australia is doing pretty well on the 0 new infections front. I'd say the nation is getting close. Wouldn't you put up with a few more weeks like the last few if it meant that after that we could resume 'normality' with strict testing and/or quarantining for anyone entering the country? What happens if we send kids back to school just as flu season hits and there's a spike in cases and we have to shut everything down again - and bury hundreds more people - or worse? "Whoops"? Do we send 16-year-olds - who are basically adults - to school?

Jazz, you call everyone else biased and claim you are just trying to bring balance, but you support the federal government on everything.

 

[jb03]

Well, if the experts can't agree, we should definitely go with the ones who if wrong will cause the most harm.

Pretty much the point Dan Andrews made today (in reverse obviously)

 

[eZyT]

Pretty much the point Dan Andrews made today (in reverse obviously)

The Precautionary Principle seems very old fashioned these days.

pretty sure Daniel Andrews frequents Thoroughbreds and AFL betting threads on here.