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Good timing for Dan this one...


Aren't vulnerable kids and kids of healthcare workers still able to attend school in Victoria? Tehan's effort on Insiders today can't have left doubt in anyone's mind that this is now a purely political point scoring issue.
 
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Good timing for Dan this one...


Aren't vulnerable kids and kids of healthcare workers still able to attend school in Victoria? Tehan's effort on Insiders today can't have left doubt in anyone's mind that this is now a purely political point scoring issue.
The dept of education website actually states kids of anyone who needs to with can attend school, not just essential workers. Different schools are applying the rules differently tho.
 
I would think deaths - or to put it another way, lives - are the most important consideration, yes.

South Australia is doing pretty well on the 0 new infections front. I'd say the nation is getting close. Wouldn't you put up with a few more weeks like the last few if it meant that after that we could resume 'normality' with strict testing and/or quarantining for anyone entering the country? What happens if we send kids back to school just as flu season hits and there's a spike in cases and we have to shut everything down again - and bury hundreds more people - or worse? "Whoops"? Do we send 16-year-olds - who are basically adults - to school?

Jazz, you call everyone else biased and claim you are just trying to bring balance, but you support the federal government on everything.

How many non-covid 19 deaths have occurred and will occur as side affects?

Perhaps it is worth the wait? But how many weeks? And why are almost all other states in alignment? Am I the only one here with any interest in scrutinising Dan.

Not sure I've called everyone biased (just the rabid left) and no I don't support the federal gov't on everything. Don't have much time for Scomo, his performance pre the virus was poor. And his religious affiliation leaves me cold. He has been more or less a dud. But he has risen to the virus challenge and appears to have support of the rest of the states except VIC.

On the flipside supporters of the likes a Jones/Bolt/Paul Murray/Chris Kenny/Rowan Dean et al are no better than the rabid lefties. They are a bigger cancer on society than any as they have more influence.

I just think we have to give people some choice in this now.
 
Pretty simplistic. Harm as defined by? Deaths alone?

Just wanted to point out that not all health experts agree, and it's an unenviable position politicians are in trying to get the balance right. The criticism of the federal gov't is way out of whack IMO and almost entirely on the basis of political bias. I hear little but praise for Mark McGowan (and rightly so) who appears in step with the rest of Aust. Perhaps he could have a chat to Dan.

How long do we wait for? Are definitive peer reviewed studies on children and covid-19 are going to be available in a month? Two months? A year? Or are we waiting until 0 new infections Aust wide for at least a month? Is that even possible?

How many children and families are suffering from the school closures? What is the long term impact on them? Where does the balance sit?

I think people are much better informed about behaviour and risk and we need to start trusting them more to do the right thing.

Would you send your kids to Meadowglen Primary School in Epping right now? There's no political bias involved in trusting the medical and scientific facts. But there is a Federal government trying to beat up the opposition at a State level during a medical crisis. Maybe Dan Tehan can pay a visit to Meadowglen with a Sky News team, no face mask, and tell Australia how important it is fill that space with kids and teachers.
 
13 new cases in Victoria overnight (a marked increase) including a schoolteacher..
Dan Andrews spot on again. Tehan's criticism looks very foolish. The Federal Gov needs to butt out on schooling.

Tehan's effort on Insiders today can't have left doubt in anyone's mind that this is now a purely political point scoring issue.

Absolutely. This is purely a power play.
Early on Morrison said the school's were the State's discretion but all he's done since is look to undermine the States in particular Andrews who clearly disagrees with him on this issue.
 
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Pretty simplistic. Harm as defined by? Deaths alone?

Just wanted to point out that not all health experts agree, and it's an unenviable position politicians are in trying to get the balance right. The criticism of the federal gov't is way out of whack IMO and almost entirely on the basis of political bias. I hear little but praise for Mark McGowan (and rightly so) who appears in step with the rest of Aust. Perhaps he could have a chat to Dan.

How long do we wait for? Are definitive peer reviewed studies on children and covid-19 are going to be available in a month? Two months? A year? Or are we waiting until 0 new infections Aust wide for at least a month? Is that even possible?

How many children and families are suffering from the school closures? What is the long term impact on them? Where does the balance sit?

I think people are much better informed about behaviour and risk and we need to start trusting them more to do the right thing.

You're making it out like there are no measures of when to open up.

There are. And we haven't reached them yet.

What we need is not necessarily to have zero new cases for a week (though that'd be great), but to have widespread testing and only find positives of known positive contacts.

This means there isn't undetected community transmission (depending on how widespread the testing is).

Here's the thing. We still have people popping up every day in Victoria and testing positive with no known positive contacts. It is still moving silently in our community. We still have no inherent immunity. We still have no effective antivirals. We still have no vaccine.

If we start opening up now, there is no reason why this wouldn't ramp up again. None.

If we can get our tracing, monitoring and testing levels to the point where we can actually effectively quarantine and isolate, then we can talk about opening up.

There's this odd sense of 'come on, surely we've been locked down long enough. It has to be better by now.'

It's like we think the virus will get bored and go away.

Nothing has changed. Not until we know where every case in the state came from. And there are two ways to do that. Proper testing and tracing, or getting our cases down to zero.

The frustrating thing is we are not far off.

But this is the exact opposite of near enough is good enough. Near enough is not enough.
 
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Pretty simplistic. Harm as defined by? Deaths alone?

Just wanted to point out that not all health experts agree, and it's an unenviable position politicians are in trying to get the balance right. The criticism of the federal gov't is way out of whack IMO and almost entirely on the basis of political bias. I hear little but praise for Mark McGowan (and rightly so) who appears in step with the rest of Aust. Perhaps he could have a chat to Dan.

How long do we wait for? Are definitive peer reviewed studies on children and covid-19 are going to be available in a month? Two months? A year? Or are we waiting until 0 new infections Aust wide for at least a month? Is that even possible?

How many children and families are suffering from the school closures? What is the long term impact on them? Where does the balance sit?

I think people are much better informed about behaviour and risk and we need to start trusting them more to do the right thing.
tomorrow WA, SA and NT schools will be open. NSW, Qland, Vic, Tas and ACT schools will be closed. im guessing that means about 80% of the country's students will not be at school
in 2 weeks WA, SA and NT schools will be open. NSW schools will be open for students 1 day per week, Qland will have reviewed their status but is unknown what that will mean, Vic, Tas and ACT schools will be closed.

if there is no, or minuscule, risk to students why arent all states (except Vic where schools are obviously only shut for political reasons) operating schools like normal?
 
if there is no, or minuscule, risk to students why arent all states (except Vic where schools are obviously only shut for political reasons) operating schools like normal?

Yeh, that's what I'm saying.

I better move to Switzerland hey?
 
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Just got this letter from Dan Andrews.

I've been feeling pretty under the pump, working weekends and long days, especially with a 5 month old at home. This nearly made me tear up.

It's not much, but it's not nothing. Cheers Dan.
 
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...and Dan Tehan is eating a big *smile* sandwich and doing a 180 on his comments this morning. Next time he should think before he talks *smile*.
. Tehan was stupid this morning. Very aggressive, no cohesion. Glad it backfired almost immediately.
 
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By these figures Belgium are in front by a mile.


Belgium is an interesting one. It really does fly under the radar. Not a big tourist destination like Britain, US, Spain and Italy so its numbers go seriously unnoticed by the media. Have you ever seen a big news item about it like we were seeing about Spain and Italy a month ago? Not a thing.
Yet worldwide, they are second only to San Marino for total deaths per head of population. Well over three times even the USA.
I have several friends and colleagues in Belgium and they say that Belgium is one of the few countries that reports everything. Not only hospitals, care homes, but absolutely everyone - private homes too. Many countries are apparently not doing that.
I'm not commenting on the truth of that or otherwise, all I'm saying is that's what the Belgians are being told.
And they are not allowed outside the house without an essential reason.
 
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Belgium is an interesting one. It really does fly under the radar. Not a big tourist destination like Britain, US, Spain and Italy so its numbers go seriously unnoticed by the media. Have you ever seen a big news item about it like we were seeing about Spain and Italy a month ago? Not a thing.
Yet worldwide, they are second only to San Marino for total deaths per head of population. Well over three times even the USA.
I have several friends and colleagues in Belgium and they say that Belgium is one of the few countries that reports everything. Not only hospitals, care homes, but absolutely everyone - private homes too. Many countries are apparently not doing that.
I'm not commenting on the truth of that or otherwise, all I'm saying is that's what the Belgians are being told.
And they are not allowed outside the house without an essential reason.

Yes, could be diligent reporting rather than other things. I wonder what the Belgian public thinks about it.