Coronavirus

[MD Jazz]

I want schools to go back as much as anyone; I've got a 14 year old and this home schooling thing has got hair on it. But I'm happy to be guided by the Vic CMO and government on this one. It's not so much going back to school it's more the mass movement in the community.

But the federal CMO advice is to go back to school? And other states appear to be in agreement with this:
WA - advice is schools will be open from today. Strongly advise Year 11 & Year 12 to attend.
NSW - advice is transition back to schools from now
QLD - likely to go back to school after week 5 of term 2

So it appears most CMO's are in agreement, except VIC's. And yet scomo is accused of politicising and grandstanding and undermining? Am I missing something here?

Oh, that's right, scomo is an *smile*.

 

[Harry]

Scomo bribing independent school principals to re-open schools

 

[eZyT]

If we open schools while we have limited testing and tracing, and while there's still undocumented community spread, then there's a real possibility we will end up just like America.

If we just wrote off 2020 as a school year,

wouldnt every kid of the Covid generation be 7% less-educated,

thereby levelling the playing field?

'Oh, yeah, I completely missed trigonometry, let me quickly check out how it works on youtube ........ yeah, sweet, all over it. that bridge will span that easy'

 

[Ridley]

But the federal CMO advice is to go back to school? And other states appear to be in agreement with this:
WA - advice is schools will be open from today. Strongly advise Year 11 & Year 12 to attend.
NSW - advice is transition back to schools from now
QLD - likely to go back to school after week 5 of term 2

So it appears most CMO's are in agreement, except VIC's. And yet scomo is accused of politicising and grandstanding and undermining? Am I missing something here?

Oh, that's right, scomo is an ********.

Don’t recall ever saying Scomo was ******** or whatever it is you typed that was blocked by the filter. In fact I think you’ll find I’ve been very supportive of his performance throughout this pandemic. I just don’t agree with his schools stance.

I can’t see how having thousands of people in mass transit throughout the community is in step with everything we’ve been told about physical distancing. I certainly don’t want my 14 year old back on a crowded bus to and from school. Not yet anyway. I reckon we’re almost there; but not just yet.

 

[Brodders17]

So you choose to ignore the data which overwhelmingly shows kids are more immune?

more immune but not fully immune, so you agree the risk of transmission is there?

 

[Giardiasis]

more immune but not fully immune, so you agree the risk of transmission is there?

 

[Tiger44]

But the federal CMO advice is to go back to school? And other states appear to be in agreement with this:
WA - advice is schools will be open from today. Strongly advise Year 11 & Year 12 to attend.
NSW - advice is transition back to schools from now
QLD - likely to go back to school after week 5 of term 2

So it appears most CMO's are in agreement, except VIC's. And yet scomo is accused of politicising and grandstanding and undermining? Am I missing something here?

Oh, that's right, scomo is an ********.

I know the Vic CMO is an epidemiologist and therefore well qualified to make these types of decisions. Not sure of other states but believe the Federal CMO is a kidney specialist.

Happy to stay isolated a bit longer than take an unnecessary risk. Kids may not contract the disease so easy but who knows if they carry and spread it to adults ...... and away we go!

 

[DavidSSS]

The problem with opening back up is data, we don't have enough data.

The Victorian government is saying schools should not re-open yet and at the same time are trying to address the issue about not enough data by ramping up the testing.

Seems sensible to me.

DS

 

[tigerdell]

The opportunity is to restructure the way we go about things and remove hurdles to business that do not need to be there. Heard that Gina Reinhart opened a mine in WA and had to get through 4,000 red tape hurdles to get there. Serious red tape overkill.

my heart burns for Gina and her mine. 4000 hurdles to dig a hole and make a shedload more cash than she could ever spend.

Not having a dig TPo as I agree with the rest of your post.
My view on redtape is that even though it feels burdensome, a significant portion is necessary to stop entitled pricks ripping off our country

 

[Coburgtiger]

If we just wrote off 2020 as a school year,

wouldnt every kid of the Covid generation be 7% less-educated,

thereby levelling the playing field?

'Oh, yeah, I completely missed trigonometry, let me quickly check out how it works on youtube ........ yeah, sweet, all over it. that bridge will span that easy'

Unfortunately this is going to increase the already significant gulf between advantaged and disadvantaged kids.

A lot of the kids I teach (committed, access to effective technology, supportive parents, showing up to every zoom class) may actually learn more this year than if they had the distraction of travel, classrooms, and irritating class mates.

But the kids who don't have those things are getting literally nothing, whereas normally we'd at least be giving them some form of social support and emotional development.

 

[MD Jazz]

The problem with opening back up is data, we don't have enough data.
The Victorian government is saying schools should not re-open yet and at the same time are trying to address the issue about not enough data by ramping up the testing.
Seems sensible to me.
DS

Yeh it's a massively difficult task for governments I just get annoyed at the clear bias in commentary over the federal gov't position (via CMO advice) on this. It seems the left voters have contempt for the federal government following the medical advice (which appears in step with all other CMO advice other than VIC).

One could argue that the political manouvering/grandstanding is being done by Andrews. The rest of the country seems to be in step on a lot of covid-19 matters.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Case count (updated at 11:40pm)

3,244,586 cases
229,182 deaths (7.06%)
54,909 severe (2%)
1,944,670 mild (60%)
1,015825 recovered (31%)

 

[TigerPort]

my heart burns for Gina and her mine. 4000 hurdles to dig a hole and make a shedload more cash than she could ever spend.

Not having a dig TPo as I agree with the rest of your post.
My view on redtape is that even though it feels burdensome, a significant portion is necessary to stop entitled pricks ripping off our country

Agree we need checks and balances to make sure developments are sound on all fronts. But when I heard there were 4000 hurdles for Gina's development I was thinking at what point is too many. How many of these covered the same ground?

These big ticket developments will help coming out of this "hibernation" with employment and cash flowing into the economy. There are quite a number of developments on hold across Australia as they progress their way through the many hurdles. Speed up this process up by consolidating the hurdles and get the projects going sooner. As with Gina's development it still got the green light so why delay?

 

[Ian4]

One could argue that the political manouvering/grandstanding is being done by Andrews. The rest of the country seems to be in step on a lot of covid-19 matters.

i said from day 1 that Victoria will be the last state to reduce restrictions due to the over cautious nature of Andrews. some say that’s a good thing and others will say its bad. I can see both sides to it. Either way, we can't do anything until the state of emergency is lifted.

 

[taztiger4]

i said from day 1 that Victoria will be the last state to reduce restrictions due to the over cautious nature of Andrews. some say that’s a good thing and others will say its bad. I can see both sides to it. Either way, we can't do anything until the state of emergency is lifted.

over cautious unless its putting an unsafe injecting room next door to a primary school in Richmond & then opening it up to crack heads as well as smack freaks

 

[Tigers of Old]

Another death in Tasmania has been traced back to the Ruby Princess Cruise Ship.
1 in 10 Covid19 cases in Australia have been traced to that boat.
How's the police investigation going?..

 

[taztiger4]

Another death in Tasmania has been traced back to the Ruby Princess Cruise Ship.
1 in 10 Covid19 cases in Australia have been traced to that boat.
How's the police investigation going?..

its going well & wont stop until they find the correct scapegoat

 

[Brodders17]

Yeh it's a massively difficult task for governments I just get annoyed at the clear bias in commentary over the federal gov't position (via CMO advice) on this. It seems the left voters have contempt for the federal government following the medical advice (which appears in step with all other CMO advice other than VIC).

One could argue that the political manouvering/grandstanding is being done by Andrews. The rest of the country seems to be in step on a lot of covid-19 matters.

Tassie and SA aren't opening schools either.
I think most who are unhappy with Morrison's school stance are unhappy because he is getting involved in a state issue, and his latest move to bribe independent schools to re- open looks very politically motivated. (Especially when Dutton is blaming unions in Queensland for the schools being closed.)

 

[Baloo]

Could SMEs handle opening and closing again if the restrictions are lifted too early? I reckon an early move, one that backfires, will wreck the economy a lot more than holding out for another month.

But I feel sorry for Sam and his loyal band of golf supporters. No one can be experiencing hardship as difficult as them. Maybe Andrews can declare the National and Cape Schanck courses a golfing "hub" and the golfers would be allowed to pitch tents and play to their hearts content. IF Dan doesn't do anything he's running the risk of turning this golfers into Mamils

 

[DavidSSS]

With the schools I think they should have used some of the material from Distance Learning, which has been going on for decades, rather than relying on trying to get everything online. Send stuff out to the students and sort out ways to keep communication going.

While you could argue that Andrews is grandstanding, it would be equally easy, if not easier, to argue the same about the Federal government who are throwing money at Private Schools to reopen. All politicians will grandstand, amongst a lot of other groups, and the grandstanding will increase as we start to open up and they jockey for favourable coverage coming out of this.

As for Gina and her mine, which will probably employ a few people building the mine and be very automated when it is up and running. Sorry, no sympathy at all. If she wants to dig up part of this country and make millions from resources which aren't hers to start with, she can jump through the hoops. I suspect 4,000 hurdles is a gross overstating of what she has to do.

Victoria waiting for data to act still seems sensible to me. I'm hoping it means we squash the pandemic enough that we can have footy without hubs, and possibly crowds return some time this year. If the season goes late then we are looking at likely more than 6 months before finals, we have been in lockdown so far for maybe 1.5 months, so maybe we could get limited crowds to finals.

DS