Clarkson threads [Merged]

[Chiang Mai Tiger]

Re: Clarkson gets 2 years

...AFL CEO Andy Demtriou has supported the decision saying " Its good to see that the National Competition will remain strong with the Appointment of such a high Quality coach. "

By the looks of this report Richmond is in for another installment of the AFL inspired 'murder by umpire' this week

 

[Mikee]

Re: Clarkson gets 2 years

Never in doubt.Why sack the best "tanking" coach in the comp

Spot on. He knows exactly what he's doing. Will get his last batch of high draft picks in this upcoming draft (which just happens to be the 'superdraft'). All of a sudden next year they will start winning games which will be a shock to the average football follower and reactive media. I can read Clarkson like a book. They are cheats. They're not playing to win. They are the king of tanking, and it's been in Clarkson's 'rebuilding' theme from the start. It's one of the reasons why Terry came up with the suggestion of rewarding teams monetary-wise for winning and stop clubs being rewarded so heavily for crap performances/tanking. Reality is he'll get away with building a great list without doing everything in his power to win games; a thing which every coach should do, and which every supporter would expect of a coach.

GO TIGES!!!

 

[Scoop]

Re: Clarkson gets 2 years

Clarkson has turned over half the list gave valuable game time to youngsters and we have seen glimpses of how good they can be. Clarkson had the courage of his conviction to try things his way and bottom out and get rid of the deadwood and rebuild through the kids. To give him the flick when the fruits of his labour will be blossoming would have been criminal.

 

[thomas the tiger]

Re: Clarkson gets 2 years

Mr 17 love your work. Great stuff.

Clarko really reminds me a lot of Frawley.

1. Cliche after cliche in press conferences.
2. Trying to install the discipline eg Hodge and Ottens
3. Can't coach
4. Trapped his club into another contract.

For having the stupidity to go for a 10 year plan, that is really something. Go clarko, Go Hawks

 

[Dyer'ere]

Re: Clarkson gets 2 years

Clarkson has turned over half the list gave valuable game time to youngsters and we have seen glimpses of how good they can be. Clarkson had the courage of his conviction to try things his way and bottom out and get rid of the deadwood and rebuild through the kids. To give him the flick when the fruits of his labour will be blossoming would have been criminal.

The only coach in recent times to take such a side to a Premiership took over after someone else blooded the youth- Danis Pagan after Wayne Schimmelbusch. Prior to that Sheedy, way back.

Clarkson will have to make modern history.

Mark Williams took over after another bloke who had draft concessions.

 

[mr17]

Re: Clarkson gets 2 years

they won't be dejected as they are happy with clarko

would say everit and crawf are part of that happy mob

 

[mr17]

Re: Clarkson gets 2 years

Never in doubt.Why sack the best "tanking" coach in the comp

Spot on.  He knows exactly what he's doing.  Will get his last batch of high draft picks in this upcoming draft (which just happens to be the 'superdraft').  All of a sudden next year they will start winning games which will be a shock to the average football follower and reactive media.  I can read Clarkson like a book.  They are cheats.  They're not playing to win.  They are the king of tanking, and it's been in Clarkson's 'rebuilding' theme from the start.  It's one of the reasons why Terry came up with the suggestion of rewarding teams monetary-wise for winning and stop clubs being rewarded so heavily for crap performances/tanking.  Reality is he'll get away with building a great list without doing everything in his power to win games;  a thing which every coach should do, and which every supporter would expect of a coach.

GO TIGES!!! 

egggggggsactly

exactly

 

[Hayfever]

Re: Clarkson gets 2 years

Never in doubt.Why sack the best "tanking" coach in the comp

Spot on. He knows exactly what he's doing. Will get his last batch of high draft picks in this upcoming draft (which just happens to be the 'superdraft'). All of a sudden next year they will start winning games which will be a shock to the average football follower and reactive media. I can read Clarkson like a book. They are cheats. They're not playing to win.  They are the king of tanking, and it's been in Clarkson's 'rebuilding' theme from the start.  It's one of the reasons why Terry came up with the suggestion of rewarding teams monetary-wise for winning and stop clubs being rewarded so heavily for crap performances/tanking.  Reality is he'll get away with building a great list without doing everything in his power to win games;  a thing which every coach should do, and which every supporter would expect of a coach. GO TIGES!!! 

So much for the free enterprise, non-socialist ideologies of Jeffrey Kennett ???

 

[The Boss]

Re: Clarkson gets 2 years

Mr 17 love your work.  Great stuff.

Clarko really reminds me a lot of Frawley.

1.  Cliche after cliche in press conferences.
2.  Trying to install the discipline eg Hodge and Ottens
3.  Can't coach
4.  Trapped his club into another contract.

For having the stupidity to go for a 10 year plan, that is really something. Go clarko, Go Hawks

I was saying this to a mate of mine the other day, there is a lot of Danny Frawley in short man Clarkson.

Heard from a good source at the Hawks, that his set rotations going into a match cause the players all sorts of confusion, hence there lack of accoutability at times, the players don't know who they're playing on!!

As for turning over half the list, what do you expect? They have been a rabble in recent years and the players he's got rid of, have either been past it or not up to scratch. He'll get rid of another 10 at the end of this season also.

 

[DragaTheCro]

Re: Clarkson gets 2 years

Another strange decision at this strange club called Hawthorn. It's almost as though they felt they had to make a decision on the coaching position now because they said at the start of the year they would decide mid-year. But who's to say they couldn't delay the decision until the end of the season, which would have been much wiser. If they don't win another game this year, they are stuck with him. Unless they sack him, which means they would most likely have to pay him out. It would also affect membership and sponsorship because they will stay away in droves if they see the club losing and with Clarkson at the helm for 2 more years.

 

[the golden]

Re: Clarkson gets 2 years

it is mid season ??? as we have a bye next week

 

[Tygrys]

Re: Clarkson gets 2 years

Never in doubt.Why sack the best "tanking" coach in the comp

Spot on. He knows exactly what he's doing. Will get his last batch of high draft picks in this upcoming draft (which just happens to be the 'superdraft'). All of a sudden next year they will start winning games which will be a shock to the average football follower and reactive media. I can read Clarkson like a book. They are cheats. They're not playing to win. They are the king of tanking, and it's been in Clarkson's 'rebuilding' theme from the start. It's one of the reasons why Terry came up with the suggestion of rewarding teams monetary-wise for winning and stop clubs being rewarded so heavily for crap performances/tanking. Reality is he'll get away with building a great list without doing everything in his power to win games; a thing which every coach should do, and which every supporter would expect of a coach.

GO TIGES!!!

Exactly right, Clarkson is no fool, cheat or no cheat he has munipulated the system to the max and in the long run Hawthorn will reap the benefits. In a few years we at Richmond might well be envying the Hawkes for allowing themselves to bottom out, and ruing the idiotic policy as articulated by Royal of wanting to play finals football as soon as possible so Richardson and other senior players can be 'rewarded'. No doubt we have a better coach in Wallace, but Hawthorn are building a list that might eventually win them a premiership (even if he in the end Clarkson isn't the one that actually takes them there).

 

[the golden]

Re: Clarkson gets 2 years

Never in doubt.Why sack the best "tanking" coach in the comp

Spot on.  He knows exactly what he's doing.  Will get his last batch of high draft picks in this upcoming draft (which just happens to be the 'superdraft').  All of a sudden next year they will start winning games which will be a shock to the average football follower and reactive media.  I can read Clarkson like a book.  They are cheats.  They're not playing to win.  They are the king of tanking, and it's been in Clarkson's 'rebuilding' theme from the start.  It's one of the reasons why Terry came up with the suggestion of rewarding teams monetary-wise for winning and stop clubs being rewarded so heavily for crap performances/tanking.  Reality is he'll get away with building a great list without doing everything in his power to win games;  a thing which every coach should do, and which every supporter would expect of a coach.

GO TIGES!!! 

Exactly right, Clarkson is no fool, cheat or no cheat he has munipulated the system to the max and in the long run Hawthorn will reap the benefits. In a few years we at Richmond might well be envying the Hawkes for allowing themselves to bottom out, and ruing the idiotic policy as articulated by Royal of wanting to play finals football as soon as possible so Richardson and other senior players can be 'rewarded'.  No doubt we have a better coach in Wallace, but Hawthorn are building a list that might eventually win them a premiership (even if he in the end Clarkson isn't the one that actually takes them there).

we did not tank no games nor did the tigers :veryupset

 

[Tygrys]

Re: Clarkson gets 2 years

Never in doubt.Why sack the best "tanking" coach in the comp

Spot on. He knows exactly what he's doing. Will get his last batch of high draft picks in this upcoming draft (which just happens to be the 'superdraft'). All of a sudden next year they will start winning games which will be a shock to the average football follower and reactive media. I can read Clarkson like a book. They are cheats. They're not playing to win. They are the king of tanking, and it's been in Clarkson's 'rebuilding' theme from the start. It's one of the reasons why Terry came up with the suggestion of rewarding teams monetary-wise for winning and stop clubs being rewarded so heavily for crap performances/tanking. Reality is he'll get away with building a great list without doing everything in his power to win games; a thing which every coach should do, and which every supporter would expect of a coach.

GO TIGES!!!

Exactly right, Clarkson is no fool, cheat or no cheat he has munipulated the system to the max and in the long run Hawthorn will reap the benefits. In a few years we at Richmond might well be envying the Hawkes for allowing themselves to bottom out, and ruing the idiotic policy as articulated by Royal of wanting to play finals football as soon as possible so Richardson and other senior players can be 'rewarded'. No doubt we have a better coach in Wallace, but Hawthorn are building a list that might eventually win them a premiership (even if he in the end Clarkson isn't the one that actually takes them there).

we did not tank no games nor did the tigers :veryupset

Hey I'm giving Hawthorn and Clarkson credit! Richmond and Hawthorn have officially employed different rebuiding strategies, ie the partial rebuild versus the full. Hawthorn has traded heavily to get maximun draft advantage and in process accepted (or should I say embraced) bottoming out and all that comes with it, including early draft picks. Not everyone here would agree, but I know which policy I prefer. Again all credit to Hawkes.

 

[GoodOne]

Re: Clarkson gets 2 years

Never in doubt.Why sack the best "tanking" coach in the comp

Spot on.  He knows exactly what he's doing.  Will get his last batch of high draft picks in this upcoming draft (which just happens to be the 'superdraft').  All of a sudden next year they will start winning games which will be a shock to the average football follower and reactive media.  I can read Clarkson like a book.  They are cheats.  They're not playing to win.  They are the king of tanking, and it's been in Clarkson's 'rebuilding' theme from the start.  It's one of the reasons why Terry came up with the suggestion of rewarding teams monetary-wise for winning and stop clubs being rewarded so heavily for crap performances/tanking.  Reality is he'll get away with building a great list without doing everything in his power to win games;  a thing which every coach should do, and which every supporter would expect of a coach.

GO TIGES!!! 

Exactly right, Clarkson is no fool, cheat or no cheat he has munipulated the system to the max and in the long run Hawthorn will reap the benefits. In a few years we at Richmond might well be envying the Hawkes for allowing themselves to bottom out, and ruing the idiotic policy as articulated by Royal of wanting to play finals football as soon as possible so Richardson and other senior players can be 'rewarded'.  No doubt we have a better coach in Wallace, but Hawthorn are building a list that might eventually win them a premiership (even if he in the end Clarkson isn't the one that actually takes them there).

I think its a load of rubbish.  Hawthorn came out all cylinders at the start of the season, there were no signs that they were tanking to get draft picks then.  They lose a few games and all of a sudden its their plan of attack to finish bottom to get super draft picks.  Well at 4 and 7, they have 3 teams underneath them, all with a good chance of finishing below Hawthorn, 1 more win and no priority 2nd round draft picks, so they might get at best a 4 round pick followed by a maybe a 22nd.  

There's more to winning a premiership then simply trying to finish last every year to get draft picks.   Even Clarkson is smarter than that.  Its all about team management.  Even if, by some fluke, all the young high draft picks became superstars, with the salary cap how are you going to keep them long enough to build up a premiership campaign.  This talk about tanking is all just conspiracy theory stuff.  

Cheers (for btoz)

 

[Scoop]

Re: Clarkson gets 2 years

Good one is right.

All this story of tanking is garbage. Young teams have ups and downs and cop the odd flogging, just part of the rebuilding phase.

 

[Tygrys]

Re: Clarkson gets 2 years

Never in doubt.Why sack the best "tanking" coach in the comp

Spot on. He knows exactly what he's doing. Will get his last batch of high draft picks in this upcoming draft (which just happens to be the 'superdraft'). All of a sudden next year they will start winning games which will be a shock to the average football follower and reactive media. I can read Clarkson like a book. They are cheats. They're not playing to win. They are the king of tanking, and it's been in Clarkson's 'rebuilding' theme from the start. It's one of the reasons why Terry came up with the suggestion of rewarding teams monetary-wise for winning and stop clubs being rewarded so heavily for crap performances/tanking. Reality is he'll get away with building a great list without doing everything in his power to win games; a thing which every coach should do, and which every supporter would expect of a coach.

GO TIGES!!!

Exactly right, Clarkson is no fool, cheat or no cheat he has munipulated the system to the max and in the long run Hawthorn will reap the benefits. In a few years we at Richmond might well be envying the Hawkes for allowing themselves to bottom out, and ruing the idiotic policy as articulated by Royal of wanting to play finals football as soon as possible so Richardson and other senior players can be 'rewarded'. No doubt we have a better coach in Wallace, but Hawthorn are building a list that might eventually win them a premiership (even if he in the end Clarkson isn't the one that actually takes them there).

I think its a load of rubbish. Hawthorn came out all cylinders at the start of the season, there were no signs that they were tanking to get draft picks then. They lose a few games and all of a sudden its their plan of attack to finish bottom to get super draft picks. Well at 4 and 7, they have 3 teams underneath them, all with a good chance of finishing below Hawthorn, 1 more win and no priority 2nd round draft picks, so they might get at best a 4 round pick followed by a maybe a 22nd.

There's more to winning a premiership then simply trying to finish last every year to get draft picks. Even Clarkson is smarter than that. Its all about team management. Even if, by some fluke, all the young high draft picks became superstars, with the salary cap how are you going to keep them long enough to build up a premiership campaign. This talk about tanking is all just conspiracy theory stuff.

Cheers (for btoz)

Firstly I was talking more in terms of what they have managed to acheive in the previous couple of years. The benefits of getting a priority pick this year are neglible to what they have been in previous years ie after the first round. They cashed in big time when the going was good. As for flukes, it's all about odds. There are no guarantees in drafting, but if you have two recruitment departments of equal ability, and you have one with a heavy concentration of picks in the early rounds and the other less so, 9 out of 10 times the one with the early picks will come out on top. Again some people here are pinning their hopes on Buckernara and co being dunces, personally I don't see any evidence of that (certainly Miller didn't agree, rating Ellis and Dowler two of the top three prospects in last years draft).

Finally, keeping a superstar list has it's challenges, but apart from a couple surcoming to the go home factor, most clubs with 'superstar' players have been very successful in keeping their lists together. One need only look at Brisbane and St Kilda as examples - again it's seems to be wishful thinking that players will chase dollars. Group loyalty and the prospect of success seem to be far stronger motivations, than mega contracts at struggling clubs. Again give me the Hawthorn approach any day

 

[GoodOne]

Re: Clarkson gets 2 years

Never in doubt.Why sack the best "tanking" coach in the comp

Spot on.  He knows exactly what he's doing.  Will get his last batch of high draft picks in this upcoming draft (which just happens to be the 'superdraft').  All of a sudden next year they will start winning games which will be a shock to the average football follower and reactive media.  I can read Clarkson like a book.  They are cheats.  They're not playing to win.  They are the king of tanking, and it's been in Clarkson's 'rebuilding' theme from the start.  It's one of the reasons why Terry came up with the suggestion of rewarding teams monetary-wise for winning and stop clubs being rewarded so heavily for crap performances/tanking.  Reality is he'll get away with building a great list without doing everything in his power to win games;  a thing which every coach should do, and which every supporter would expect of a coach.

GO TIGES!!! 

Exactly right, Clarkson is no fool, cheat or no cheat he has munipulated the system to the max and in the long run Hawthorn will reap the benefits. In a few years we at Richmond might well be envying the Hawkes for allowing themselves to bottom out, and ruing the idiotic policy as articulated by Royal of wanting to play finals football as soon as possible so Richardson and other senior players can be 'rewarded'.  No doubt we have a better coach in Wallace, but Hawthorn are building a list that might eventually win them a premiership (even if he in the end Clarkson isn't the one that actually takes them there).

I think its a load of rubbish.  Hawthorn came out all cylinders at the start of the season, there were no signs that they were tanking to get draft picks then.  They lose a few games and all of a sudden its their plan of attack to finish bottom to get super draft picks.  Well at 4 and 7, they have 3 teams underneath them, all with a good chance of finishing below Hawthorn, 1 more win and no priority 2nd round draft picks, so they might get at best a 4 round pick followed by a maybe a 22nd. 

There's more to winning a premiership then simply trying to finish last every year to get draft picks.   Even Clarkson is smarter than that.  Its all about team management.  Even if, by some fluke, all the young high draft picks became superstars, with the salary cap how are you going to keep them long enough to build up a premiership campaign.  This talk about tanking is all just conspiracy theory stuff. 

Cheers (for btoz)

Firstly I was talking more in terms of what they have managed to acheive in the previous couple of years. The benefits of getting a priority pick this year are neglible to what they have been in previous years ie after the first round. They cashed in big time when the going was good. As for flukes, it's all about odds. There are no guarantees in drafting, but if you have two recruitment departments of equal ability, and you have one with a heavy concentration of picks in the early rounds and the other less so, 9 out of 10 times the one with the early picks will come out on top. Again some people here are pinning their hopes on Buckernara and co being dunces, personally I don't see any evidence of that (certainly Miller didn't agree, rating Ellis and Dowler two of the top three prospects in last years draft).

Finally, keeping a superstar list has it's challenges, but apart from a couple surcoming to the go home factor, most clubs with 'superstar' players have been very successful in keeping their lists together. One need only look at Brisbane and St Kilda as examples - again it's seems to be wishful thinking that players will chase dollars. Group loyalty and the prospect of success seem to be far stronger motivations, than mega contracts at struggling clubs. Again give me the Hawthorn approach any day

Sorry I cant agree. I dont think the approach of Hawthorn is very different to Richmond. In fact earlier in the season someone was ruing how they wish Richmond had gone for the full restructure instead of the part restructure due to Hawthorn doing so well early on. But really what does full restructure and part restructure mean? Look through the lists of both teams and I see a great turnover of players at both teams and the holding of a few experienced players as well. Seriously where is the difference? In fact Richmond has been the worst performing team over the last 20 years but I think in the last 3 or 4 years the recruiting of Richmond has improved immensely, and has been superior to Hawthorn's (opinion of course).

As for needing to drag yourself at the bottom of the ladder to win a premiership, I would argue that almost all teams that have won premierships have NOT dragged at the bottom for years on end to achieve their dream. In fact the most successful teams have been able to keep a good mix of experienced and young blood throughout their strength, and this is the strategy that is most likely to succeed.

As for keeping a superstar list, Brisbane have been an exception to the rule for a number of reasons. One, their location is a desired location for a lot of players, two they were afforded the luxury of a higher salary cap to fit in the extra couple of players for a higher salary, and 3 due to concessions because of the AFLs desire to have them succeed in Queensland, has helped their cause enormously. Finally moving from Melbourne to Brisbane has helped to create a sense of pride, and an us against them mentaility that has really bound the players together.

St Kilda have yet to win a premiership, so the point is relatively mute. It will be interesting to see, how they manage to continue holding all their top players, especially if they can string games together without getting injured as much as they have. I think it is wishful thinking to think that players dont chase the money. Teams will inevitably keep their best player by offering large amounts of money, but it is the 2nd, 3rd, 4th best players that are hard to keep if you dont offer them their worth. Have too many and you have no chance of keeping them. That is the whole concept of the salary cap and it works very well in evening sides.

Cheers

 

[johnson2richo2003]

Re: Clarkson gets 2 years

Sorry I cant agree. I dont think the approach of Hawthorn is very different to Richmond. In fact earlier in the season someone was ruing how they wish Richmond had gone for the full restructure instead of the part restructure due to Hawthorn doing so well early on.

That someone was Claw.But hell he,s been saying that since the early 1900,s :hihi :hihi :hihi

 

[Mikee]

Re: Clarkson gets 2 years

Never in doubt.Why sack the best "tanking" coach in the comp

Spot on.  He knows exactly what he's doing.  Will get his last batch of high draft picks in this upcoming draft (which just happens to be the 'superdraft').  All of a sudden next year they will start winning games which will be a shock to the average football follower and reactive media.  I can read Clarkson like a book.  They are cheats.  They're not playing to win.  They are the king of tanking, and it's been in Clarkson's 'rebuilding' theme from the start.  It's one of the reasons why Terry came up with the suggestion of rewarding teams monetary-wise for winning and stop clubs being rewarded so heavily for crap performances/tanking.  Reality is he'll get away with building a great list without doing everything in his power to win games;  a thing which every coach should do, and which every supporter would expect of a coach.

GO TIGES!!! 

Exactly right, Clarkson is no fool, cheat or no cheat he has munipulated the system to the max and in the long run Hawthorn will reap the benefits. In a few years we at Richmond might well be envying the Hawkes for allowing themselves to bottom out, and ruing the idiotic policy as articulated by Royal of wanting to play finals football as soon as possible so Richardson and other senior players can be 'rewarded'.  No doubt we have a better coach in Wallace, but Hawthorn are building a list that might eventually win them a premiership (even if he in the end Clarkson isn't the one that actually takes them there).

Perfectly said. :clap

GO TIGES!!!