What if it’s a player who hasn’t done one before do they stay on the list? Or are they delisted or traded out?
We would have missed a bit of Richo’s career if that was the case
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We would have missed a bit of Richo’s career if that was the case
This says 1 in 5 people who get one and return to sport do it again.
You would hope at a professional level with pro recovery it would be better.
This one says 20-30% of a more general cohort.
Incidence of Second Anterior Cruciate Ligament Tears and Identification of Associated Risk Factors From 2001 to 2010 Using a Geographic Database
The reported rate of second anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) injuries (20%-30%), including graft failure and contralateral ACL tears, after ACL reconstruction (ACLR) or nonoperative therapy indicates that multiple factors may predispose patients to subsequent ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
No, strictly asking ‘Do you draft a player with a prior ACL?’
I am just asking the question though, especially after Jud Clarke - but it would been a real shame to not draft LeFau so I am ‘torn’ (pardon pun) on whether you would have such a policy.
I think Cumbo was already on the list when he did his, but am sure I will be corrected if he wasn’t
Thanks Roar - makes it a very risky game of taking higher draft picks especiallyThis says 1 in 5 people who get one and return to sport do it again.
You would hope at a professional level with pro recovery it would be better.
This one says 20-30% of a more general cohort.
Incidence of Second Anterior Cruciate Ligament Tears and Identification of Associated Risk Factors From 2001 to 2010 Using a Geographic Database
The reported rate of second anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) injuries (20%-30%), including graft failure and contralateral ACL tears, after ACL reconstruction (ACLR) or nonoperative therapy indicates that multiple factors may predispose patients to subsequent ...
Fair enough. Probably depends on highly rated the player is and a club’s needs and expectations. Some clubs may well have that preference.
Prospective players prior to draft with a knee history generally lose a significant amount of market value which manifests it by the number they end up being chosen with. Some even aren't drafted who would otherwise rate highly purely by talent.
I guess to get a fair comparison we need to know what percentage of people without ACLs get ACLs.
This says 1% for a young male playing a few sports (and 5% for women) - but it doesn't include AFL. .. but seems nowhere near the 20%-30% recurrence rate or even if you just did the pub test it seems recurrence is way higher.
What are the Odds of Tearing Your ACL in the Sports You Play?
Young athletes can now calculate their odds of getting an ACL tear based on their sex using a tool developed by sports medicine pediatricians at CHOP.
Found an aus study. Pretty compelling conclusion at the bottom. 50% recurrence! Let’s hope the blokes that got injured don’t re do it.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Anterior Cruciate Ligament Injuries in Australian Rules Football: Incidence, Prevention and Return to Play Outcomes
Australian Rules football is the most popular of the various codes of football played in Australia. During the game players perform frequent landing, cutting and pivoting manoeuvres that expose them to substantial risk for anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
yep. not a bad start. and the other guy, is it Gray? seems handy as well ..
I feel for the bloke.
He has been given the hardest job in the competition. Trying to clean up Clarke's mess.
At least his first 2 show they can play and aren't experimental picks (Blight & Campbell).
He has been given the hardest job in the competition. Trying to clean up Clarke's mess.
At least his first 2 show they can play and aren't experimental picks (Blight & Campbell).
What a time to come in
Should have a great hand , nail this draft and his in the gig for 10 years if he was at Essendon, he’d be signed until he was 90.
Sadly he’s going to have to make up for what could be our worst draft since 2005 , the 2021 draft , I’m starting to think we may have had a mare , a superstar potential kid that we keep forever who sadly his body just keeps letting him down , the rest who just keep showing a glimpse , however at the end of the day just end up been 60 gamers in a poor to average side .
Geez I hope CT scans this draft to perfection and has that ounce of good luck needed to produce a quality squad going forward .
If we stuff this draft , nah I don’t want to think about that
Should have a great hand , nail this draft and his in the gig for 10 years if he was at Essendon, he’d be signed until he was 90.
Sadly he’s going to have to make up for what could be our worst draft since 2005 , the 2021 draft , I’m starting to think we may have had a mare , a superstar potential kid that we keep forever who sadly his body just keeps letting him down , the rest who just keep showing a glimpse , however at the end of the day just end up been 60 gamers in a poor to average side .
Geez I hope CT scans this draft to perfection and has that ounce of good luck needed to produce a quality squad going forward .
If we stuff this draft , nah I don’t want to think about that
His job isn’t to clean up a mess. It is to identify the best available talent for the picks we have. Fixing up the list is Blair’s domain.
Is it a recurrence if it happens to the other knee or just bad luck? thought it worth asking.
On Toce very good start ,at worst showing an understanding of list shortcomings even if its not his domain.
As much as i think we need yung key forwards i would not be adverse to a big inside out mid or two.
On Toce very good start ,at worst showing an understanding of list shortcomings even if its not his domain.
As much as i think we need yung key forwards i would not be adverse to a big inside out mid or two.
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My son did his ACL at age 19, the surgeon said his knees had a flaw which meant that future ACL were a possibility so he retired.
His older brother did 2 but both were done in marking contests and deciding to change direction in mid air ( bad idea as knees are not designed to deal with that sort of
force sideways) so now he marks the ball in straight lines.
I believe that the normal change of direction ACL's (like Naismiths) will occur again in a player, the mechanical ones like Richo's are just wrong place wrong time.
His older brother did 2 but both were done in marking contests and deciding to change direction in mid air ( bad idea as knees are not designed to deal with that sort of
force sideways) so now he marks the ball in straight lines.
I believe that the normal change of direction ACL's (like Naismiths) will occur again in a player, the mechanical ones like Richo's are just wrong place wrong time.
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Sorry to hear that y very unlucky to have both boys go down, very tough on them if they were into their footy
Reported a while back by a poster on here (possibly by Don't Argue?) that TOCE was quite unwell.
Did anyone spot him at the BnF or seen him at one of the Coates league games or have any knowledge on the subject?
Did anyone spot him at the BnF or seen him at one of the Coates league games or have any knowledge on the subject?
