Tigerbob said:
What you ramble on with, most already know. In the end it becomes an argument that goes around, and around and around in circles. All I have said is let it go, it ain't good for your health.
do they wouldnt know that to read many posts on here the opposite in fact. and yeah it goes around and around there are those that defend the 08 draft all ive done is say its not that great. all ive asked is that surely someone is made accountable. not even an acknowledgement that they got it wrong. is that good enough.
Tigerbob said:
You want me to actually take you and your mate Barnzy's post seriously? :hihi
We took 3 selections in last years draft. You harp about taking two 18 year olds blah, blah, blah, and whilst I agree I would of liked more U19 kids,
all i asked and barnzy to of people was do they think 2 selections and a selction on a retread was enough. turning over so few was it good enough these were my comments on my opening post in this thread i asked was it not reasonable to ask those questions and it has gone from there sheesh i will ask again was it not a reasonable question. it takes two to have a debate mate.
then getting people to answer those questions is like pulling teeth they dont answer it because it may paint a poor picture.even you who comes across lately as defending every little thing they do have admitted they got it wrong others dont hence the continued debate.
Tigerbob said:
it has been explained to you, over and over and over again, the clubs mindset was different and the whole club had decided for whatever reason we were going for a finals appearance.
has it i dont think so. no one has said anything like it. as for the clubs mind set did march not give the season a 5 out of 10 anyway they got it wrong not one person has put his hand up and said yep we got it wrong i was responsible no accountability. which is part of what i go on about. if they did not know we had a poor list at the end of 08 when the whole footy world knew that borders on incompetence.
Tigerbob said:
You want me to actually take you and your mate Barnzy's post seriously? :hihi
You blame solely Cameron, while others lay the blame at a host of others. You disagree with it but should it be made into a massive sh!t fight like you are making it. Freo took a mature age player in the draft, so too did the Kangaroos. So if we had taken Thomson in the draft do we count that as 4 selections? Vickery, Post, Hislop and Thomson. All under 22 years of age. Or do we not count some selections from other clubs because they are not 18 year olds? What about the kids that are 19? Where does the argument stop?
yeah i blame cameron but not solely i just think the buck has to stop somewhere and someone needs to acknowledge the mistakes hes the MANAGER that acknowledgement should come from him. no one has called for his head like i said a little bit of accountability.
freo used how many picks no one here is against taking retreads but what sort of process did we go thru. anyway remember this whole debate stems from me saying it was not good enough we used so few picks in 08 on kids and failed to clean out more players so in answer to if we had taken thomson in the draft of course he would go down as a pick but it still wouldnt alter the fact we used so few on kids. besides i havent bought other sides into it im only concerned with what we do.
Tigerbob said:
I personally would of culled the list last season. The coach, the football department and the board decided that should not occur and that we were going for a finals appearance. The mindset of the club was different to mine. They proved to be wrong, but it happens. The club has now made an effort in making up for that wrong. They have sacked the coach and a host of assistants and hired a coach that is universally accepted by the Richmond members and have taken in a youth policy. The slate is clean. We now judge the club on this outcome. We tend to all be hero's after the fact.
so basically you agree with what i would have liked to see done and admit they got it wrong.you are very much a minority yet you nosed into this debate and told one side to basically but out and forget about what has happened.
i agree they are making an effort to make up for that wrong. but as you say the only ones to have paid a price is the coach and the assistants. those in the footy dept have got away scott free. there is no wiping of the slate if they can make a blunder that big in 08 they can do it again accountability mate who on the footy dept takes responsibility for these type of failures its a fair question imo. where should the buck stop.
i also agree hardwick and his assistants do have a clean slate. cameron and those who remain on the footy dept no. but cameron and his staff should be given an opportunity to redeem the situation i havent said any different.
oh and viva the youth policy.
Tigerbob said:
About my comments about this not being a computer game. There are many factors to take into account than to just purely lay the blame at Craig Cameron like you and your panic merchant friend like to do. The inner workings of a football club is more complex?
your comments about computer games was condescending just like the rest of the above was and as thus you got a sharp reply.
Tigerbob said:
The inner workings of a football club is more complex and if you didn't know that then you should do some research before shooting your gob off about things you have little understanding of. It does not just happen that we can get rid of 18 players and draft 18 in the one year as much as we would have liked to. There are contracts, TPP, List management responsibilities, board directions, coaching philosophies and mindsets and a host of other factors. To make one decision at a football club it has to go through a host of channels before a decision is made. Imagine the decision of the direction of the playing list. You think Cameron was the one and only one that signed off on it?
again condescending and indicative that you dont read peoples posts. all of what you say in this quote has been said adnauseum by myself and others and are factored into most debates dont treat me like an imbecile.if you read peoples posts you would know these things are always considered.
again i ask when a blunder happens who is accountable.
Tigerbob said:
finally your comments may have been toungue in cheek but they were condescending if a joke well and good i will accept them as such.
have to say and agree my comments were petty and yep old enough to know better i hope you accept my apology. and i apologise in advance but to me you do come across as knowing it all i suppose i come across a lot worse.
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