Disco08 said:
West Coast's list was in tatters all of a sudden though. It was so bad that we've actually outplayed them over the last 3 years. They still didn't panic and take 10 kids in one draft just for the hell of it.
I'll be happy if Cameron and co just use the 7 picks we have now, use the PSD for a youngish recycled player and fill up the rookie list. Would that do you?
oh cmon disco wce and the rfc are chalk and cheese. wce list was not in tatters they won a gf in 06 and finished 3rd in 07.
they had a pretty good base to work from dont you think.do you really believe they had to have a clean out
in 06 the yr they won it they used 5 nd picks that would be normal for most clubs but a lot for a premiership team.they promoted 2 rookies so turned over 7.
in 07 they finished 3rd and copped lots of injury to important players but as a top 4 side they used 4 nd picks all inside the top 22 promoted 2 rookies and got kennedy in a trade. they turned over another 7 a lot for a top 4 side.
08 well it was abysmal in anyones language still only 5 nd picks.of course they werent going to panic the bulk of a premiership side was still there it just had a gaping hole in it what side wouldnt when you lose the calibur of judd and cuz in one unexpected go.but boy have they done everything they can to overcome this hole look at the picks they have used on mids since losing those players two yrs. masten ebert selwood shuey swift smith all inside pick 22 bar one at 36. throw in mcginnity in the psd and mcnamarra of the rookie list and they have not mucked around in an attempt to fix that hole..
to me they have always had a decent core to build on so they have had no need for massive cleanouts.again where the list is at is relevant. yet for a side that had success their player turn over was significant.
while strong they traded into picks to get a crack at the better kids. an example of this is 07 the yr judd cousins went. they ended up with picks 3 13 20 22 and josh kennedy. they traded away picks 30 and 35 for pick 22. .such early picks the yr they finished top 4. top 4 thats the base they build from us we build from bottom 2.
they had kerr cousins and judd as the engine room there was not a lot more there, some work horses but nothing elite. when judd and cousins went they just didnt have the engine room anymore but imo they had most other areas covered.
they didnt need a clean out and thus didnt have one.they had players in their system already coming thru.
go have a look at their 07 list and tell me how many were still their this yr. there would have to be at least 30 players and a good percentage of them would be premiership players.
a list in tatters i dont think so just very poorly performed with a gaping hole in the most critical part of any side an very young in critical areas. the structure was always there.
and ya know it never ceases to amaze me the comments from people stating wce were nothing more than an elite midfifield of two. unfortunately for them they had little depth in the midfield and when judd and cousins went the hole was gaping. but sheesh they had some good players around these two. kerr cox glass hunter all mugs i suppose. they had a superb defence
waters glass wirrapanda
braun hunter b jones
5 of that back 6 was there this yr but only glass and wirrapanda were regulars due to injury. they have had mackenzie and sphanger in their system for 3 or 4 yrs being groomed as replacements mitch brown is also there though has had serious injuries. again the structure has always been there.its called list management.
ya know if hansen played for us he would get a game week in week out ditto staker seaby yet at west coast these blokes are fringe players what does that say about their supposed lack of core list players.
structurally they will set up like this next yr. all these blokes apart from naitinui were taken 07 or before in the main while the club was still strong i dont think structurally they have never been in tatters as you say.
b / sphanger/jones glass/wilkes
hb/ mackenzie schofield
c/
hf/ kennedy/hansen m brown
f/ lynch/wilson notte
r/ cox
int/ naitanui
i look at it this way we are coming from a place similar to gc17 building from scratch. wce had a platform of premiership players to build from and plug holes in the list
as for what i would do not far of what you said. 7 or 8 nd picks 1 psd and the rest rookies with rookie promotions it allows for 9 or 10 delistings and with rookies 11 12 new faces. i dont think ive ever said much different. the thing is i think the list so bad i would be doing similar next yr as well and have said as much.
i think this draft very important and because of circumstances gc17 etc i would not be worried if we cut a little deeper. ive always been an advocate of giving a kid a go no matter where hes taken than hang onto a known dud quantity.