Anyone see what the assistant coach made him write on his hand with permanent marker before the match? 'Run Hard'. CH10 had footage.
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Sir said:
So its OK for you to throw undeserved abuse and vitriol at players but not OK for other respond in kind? I call that hypocrisy.
Sir said:
Yeah well if you're maintaining your original opinion it shows complete ignorance about the game.
Geez, is everyone here so blind?
The argument here isn't what Deledio does with the ball, but what he does off it. He simply doesn't work hard enough off the ball.
I want all his fans to watch him closely for a 10 minute patch, off and on the ball, and you'll see a stark difference between the effort he puts in when the ball is in his hands, and when it isn't.
Now I know he's good with the ball, and I'm generally pretty comfortable when he's running down the wing with it, but watching him off the ball makes me sick with anger.
He just cruises around, doesn't chase, doesn't lead enough off the ball, and just has a merry old time. Compare that to Cousins who is lining up at the centre bounce throwing his guts up, and you can spot the difference.
Deledio is exactly why we're a supremely average team. Our coaches, and supporters are too blind to see that each and every player on our list needs to play a 3 dimensional game, not just be switched on when they have the ball.
Yeah Judd played an average 2nd half for his standards, but I can tell you now, it had nothing to do with Deledio. Just watch the game again.
PS// A supporter who can openly criticise and applaud is a much truer supporter than one that does either or. I'm happy to be one that will applaud our guys when they do well, but I'm not going to support them just because they run around with the yellow sash around their shoulders. If they play crap, I'll say so.
Some of you have to stop being so one eyed. We're 3-12 for god sake and are going to miss the finals for the 24th time in 26 years!
The argument here isn't what Deledio does with the ball, but what he does off it. He simply doesn't work hard enough off the ball.
I want all his fans to watch him closely for a 10 minute patch, off and on the ball, and you'll see a stark difference between the effort he puts in when the ball is in his hands, and when it isn't.
Now I know he's good with the ball, and I'm generally pretty comfortable when he's running down the wing with it, but watching him off the ball makes me sick with anger.
He just cruises around, doesn't chase, doesn't lead enough off the ball, and just has a merry old time. Compare that to Cousins who is lining up at the centre bounce throwing his guts up, and you can spot the difference.
Deledio is exactly why we're a supremely average team. Our coaches, and supporters are too blind to see that each and every player on our list needs to play a 3 dimensional game, not just be switched on when they have the ball.
Yeah Judd played an average 2nd half for his standards, but I can tell you now, it had nothing to do with Deledio. Just watch the game again.
PS// A supporter who can openly criticise and applaud is a much truer supporter than one that does either or. I'm happy to be one that will applaud our guys when they do well, but I'm not going to support them just because they run around with the yellow sash around their shoulders. If they play crap, I'll say so.
Some of you have to stop being so one eyed. We're 3-12 for god sake and are going to miss the finals for the 24th time in 26 years!
Cousins gets most of his possessions from handball receives. Always has. Deledio is getting into the packs to win his own ball. It takes a lot of energy to keep throwing yourself at the coalface. What you're perceiving as laziness might just be exhaustion.
The Cotch said:
That's because it's clearly obvious to anyone who watches the game closely that he doesn't run hard enough to be an elite midfielder - which he should be. We didn't use a 1st overall draft pick for a half forward flanker.
Disco08 said:
Maybe so, but why is he able to magically become 'not exhausted' when he gets the ball?
Disco08 said:
How come heaps of other AFL midfielders can do both?
You're excepting mediocrity.
"oh, he's tired because he wins some contested ball. This excuses him from doing anything else out there, absolutely".
Think of what you're saying. There are players out there who go in harder than Deledio - with the same or less athletic fitness - who are capable of sustaining a defensive side to their game in many areas.
I love Lids, and he's a star. But the only reason he is not an elite midfielder is because he doesn't work hard enough off the ball. I'm grateful for his talents, and I know he is one of the best players to wear the yellow and black in 25 years. But when the only thing stopping him from realising his potential of becoming an AFL champion is a simple matter of running harder defensively and doing team things, then it is both his responsibility and the club's responsibility to ensure he gets the very best out of himself. I want to get the best out of Brett, and I'm sure you do too, but I think fitness is clearly not the only cause of this problem.
I thought his performance the other day maybe wasn't elite but it was pretty darn good. Some hard markers here.
Pleasingly Rawlings is sticking with him on the ball and not shuffling him all over the world unlike our former coach.
Pleasingly Rawlings is sticking with him on the ball and not shuffling him all over the world unlike our former coach.
Tigers of Old said:
The whole concept of what is "good" and "bad" all depends on context.
Who is Brett "good" in context to?
Other Richmond players of the last 25 years or AFL champions from other teams?
Ps. The only people who you perceive as "hard markers" are just trying to place Deledio in context to the game's greats. Nobody is saying he is not a very good player, people are just weighing him against different yardsticks.
Unfortunately, the internal yardstick is very short.
I did see that Cotch. IMO Lids had one of his best games of the season, keeping that show-pony Judd to a limited influence on the match in the second half, and racking up effective disposals whilst kicking goals of his own. I think that each week he takes another small step in the road to him becoming an elite midfielder, and I think that yesterday's game simply proves why Gerard Healy's comments were so ludicrous. Healy stated that he should not be playing as a midfielder, but rather as a loose half-back or as a half-forward, how wrong he is.The Cotch said:
Richo just said on CH9 that Brett isn't a natural gut runner but he's slowly learning which of course we already knew. I've been a critic of his of how sometimes he appears he doesn't appear to be working hard enough but he was very good last night and Rawlings said in his post-match interview that the playing group actually got into him a few weeks ago for just coasting along. Good on the club for acting quick. I think we should just all lay off Lids a bit. Learning to gut run wouldn't be the easiest thing to do because it doesn't feel natural to the body. Physically working yourself till you feel sick.
rockstar_tiger said:
As Barnzy's post above suggests, perhaps the reason he's not an elite midfielder is that he doesn't have the aerobic capacity to put in the type of herculean efforts some elite midfielders can. Maybe playing as a forward, defender and part time midfielder for 4 and a bit years has also stunted his ability in these areas somewhat.
Out of interest, would you say Gibbs and Murphy are capable of perfroming at the level you're looking for from Deledio at this point?
thejinx said:
The reason why Deledio's game was so good yesterday was his work off the ball.
I suspect you might need to watch the game again. Check out his defensive work on Judd at the stoppages in the second half. It was first rate.
Blokes like Judd do not magically have an average half of footy, especially when they have been on fire in the first half.
We have been terrible defensively at the stoppages all year. If Lids can continue with his work from yesterday we will see dramatic improvement.
Someone is now working well with the young mids.
Is it Campbell or Cousins?
thejinx said:
Sorry buddy, but I guess you didn't watch the game closely either.Not having a go at you here, but merley just giving you facts. Richmond have a point system in what they call Damage points-team orientated acts- similar to super coach scoring system. Lids was rated in the top 5 yesterday(within the team), showing that he was blocking/sheparding etc..all the 1%, So to say he is not working hard enough off the ball is either a) You personally don't like the player b) You're clearly not looking out for these 1%.
IanG said:
Like I said - footyb forums are a strange place.
Hypocritical????
I'm able to comment on footballers for a range of reasons:
- firstly we get to watch them week in week out (making appropriate comparisons about their performance against not only their peers but also their competitors!)
- we get to research them
- we know their entire physical history
- we learn much about their mental strengths/weaknesses
- as a paid up member I'm entitled to voice opinion on the player (employee) performance as you would in any poorly performing company/club/electorate etc etc
When people write vitriolic comments about me - what do they know?
They know that their opinion is different - THAT IS ALL THEY KNOW.
It doesn't at all infer that "I'm ignorant about the game" - otherwise how do you explain the countless others who see exactly what I see?? (perhaps JINX explains it more eloquently than me?)
Then again in your case we might determine that 5700+ posts would suggest that you need to get a life, and the fact that you are personally attacking others on football forums rather than engaging in real life is due to an inherent inability to do so.
Got no friends?
Then again - I could be wrong :hihi
