Tigers of Old said:
thats right oldie, building a running tank doesnt come over night but continuous game time (75%+) on the ball will help you build that core running ability.
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thats right oldie, building a running tank doesnt come over night but continuous game time (75%+) on the ball will help you build that core running ability.
White Lightning said:
and so does Sir, when lids has an average game which is far and few between sir and 1 or 2 others are straight on this thread but what is most amusing is even his goods games which is more times than not still get negativity from a few of these posters...So Lids cant win with these guys no matter what he does right....IMO they dont understand his role or his worth to the team...
jb03 said:
that he did JB, im not sure what they want him to run 1,000 meters, was in the top 3 for meters gainned yesterday and top 2 last week...
Worked damn hard off the ball which 99.9% of posters acknowledged...
jb03 said:
Thanx for that JB, well after reading some posts which are clearly inaccurate, my astuteness as u have put it have come to the fore and plenty of my posts here today in defence of Lids but not only from me but the majority of the folk on PRE..."sheez i feel like leysy" here self promoting, nah think it only suits leysy, he has built up that "persona"...
Ok I'm jumping back on ther other side again.
I am definately one who thinks Lids doesn't work hard enough for a player whos meant to be elite. ( hasn't consistently anyway)
Yesterday was just about perfect - very very good game - but lets not get ahead of ourselves where we want and expect him to be.
I will be convinced if he actually does a Tambling and does it for 6-7 weeks in a row
I'm convinced on Tambling. just not there yet on Lids.
I am definately one who thinks Lids doesn't work hard enough for a player whos meant to be elite. ( hasn't consistently anyway)
Yesterday was just about perfect - very very good game - but lets not get ahead of ourselves where we want and expect him to be.
I will be convinced if he actually does a Tambling and does it for 6-7 weeks in a row
I'm convinced on Tambling. just not there yet on Lids.
Re: Cousins shows how over-rated Deledio is!
Frezer well buckely was commenting on the game, and when i was driving home he was full of praise for Lids and said he played a very good game...
Freezer said:
Frezer well buckely was commenting on the game, and when i was driving home he was full of praise for Lids and said he played a very good game...
Sir said:
LMFAO, jinxster explaining it more eloquently, that is a joke eh?
Eloquently is more suited to someone like Disco08, explains his point quite simply but more to the point provides facts and figures to back his posts up which i dont see with yours or thejinxless...
U2Tigers said:
U2 strange post in that ur backing bling after 6 or 7 games and mind u bling has turned his game full circle and i applaud him...and not being convinced on lids, we've had our posting battles and to this day i still dont think u gave him due credit for his year in 08, consistent week in week out and deserving of his B&F...
This year, U2 he has been consistent and i back it uop below, perhaps not in the vain of last year but he has been more consistent than not apart from a few games 2 X dogs and the saints game too and maybe another one just for the sake of saying another one, so he has been more consistent than not...
Below i have put his best games (9 games) as mentioned above 3 or 4 average and another 2 but ill have them in the 50/50 basket, ok games i must say but not great or like the below 9 but these games below were his best, take note also lids being tagged most weeks, he beat ling, rawlings, k.Cornes, adam selwood and power/sherman this is testament to him working hard to beating the tag placed on him which he is doing and some posters clearly ignoring this, again the facts are there to see...
Season Highlights - 2009
29 disps (14 kicks 15 hballs) and 2 goals in Rd 15 20-pt loss to Carlton at the MCG (11 Jul 2009)
31 disps (10 kicks 21 hballs) and a goal in Rd 14 17-pt loss to Adelaide at Gold Coast Stadium (4 Jul 2009)
23 disps (11 kicks 12 hballs), 11 marks and a goal in Rd 12 15-pt win over West Coast at Etihad Stadium (13 Jun 2009)
27 disps (13 kicks 14 hballs), 10 marks and 2 goals in Rd 10 3-pt win over Fremantle at Subiaco (30 May 2009)
20 disps (14 kicks 6 hballs), 8 marks and 4 tackles in Rd 8 3-pt loss to Port Adelaide at AAMI Stadium (17 May 2009)
30 disps (14 kicks 16 hballs), 6 marks, 4 tackles and a goal in Rd 7 26-pt loss to Brisbane at the MCG (9 May 2009)
25 disps (14 kicks 11 hballs) and a goal in Rd 5 36-pt win over North Melbourne at Etihad Stadium (25 Apr 2009)
30 disps (15 kicks 15 hballs), 8 marks and a goal in Rd 2 20-pt loss to Geelong at Skilled Stadium (4 Apr 2009)
21 disposals, 4 tackles, 5 inside 50's & 105 Super Coach points, loss to Sydney at the SCG (RD 6, 3rd May 2009)
AstuteTiger said:
Quoting stats left, right and centre doesn't mean you're right. I'm a big fan of statistic in certain situations, but for example, metres covered doesn't take into consideration whether those metres were covered when Richmond was in attack or defense. Which is my big issue here.
If stats are so important, and paint a perfect picture of team/player performance, where's the stat on amount of pressure applied? I'd say this is the most important attribute in the league at the moment and there isn't a single statistic recorded that can measure this.
On many occassions yesterday I witnessed Deledio (and a number of other Tigers also) running casually when if he ran 100% he could either 1. put pressure on an opposition ball carrier or 2. perform a chase down tackle. Maybe this is due to not having the physical capacity, but I'd suggest it's more an issue of passion and want, as he's more than happy to run full tilt when he has the ball, or has an opportunity to get the ball.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not chastising Brett for his overall ability. With the ball, he's arguably the best guy on our list. But defensively, the effort just isn't consistently there.
Everyone is aware of how much off the ball pressure the best teams in the comp apply to their opposition. We simply do not match these teams at all, from the top of our list to the bottom. The only guy I consistently see chasing hard off the ball is Nahas. Everyone here praises how well he runs on defence, but that's the problem. His efforts off the ball should be the norm, not the exception.
And speaking of elequent, maybe you should start with getting your grammar right before throwing mud - "Eloquently is more suited to someone like Disco8"??? Cmon...
I just find this bagging of Deledio unbelievable. An amazing performer for a 22 yo still learning the caper. Seems to be finally learning to shake the tag. He is elite, those that can't see it choose not to see it in my opinion. It's about expectations and I just think some are being unreasonable in their expectations. If guys like Tambling and Cotchin can continue to step up and Cousins can add his skill this will ease the pressure immensely on Deledio as opposition teams realise they need to also focus on other players and then you watch Deledio come out in his element. Unfortunately, with all due respect to the likes of Foley and Tuck, the opposition just doesnt value their disposal enough (hurt factor) to tag them and that's why Deledio has been receiving the hard tag instead.
AstuteTiger said:
I agree with U2 to an extent, in that there seems to be more legitimacy to Tambling's game than Deledio's. While statistically, they're relatively similar, Tambling has more of an intangible impact on and off the ball. His possessions have more of an impact on the game, and defensively, he runs harder than Deledio. Although there are times, just like everyone else on the list, where he seems to cruise when the ball isn't in his hands.
Once again, this isn't something that can be measured statistically unfortunately. One opinion against another.
GoodOne said:
My expectation for at this current point is to put in 100% effort on and off the ball on a consistent basis.
Longer term, say 2 years, he should be challenging for the brownlow. Cooney, who was selected 1st in the previous year (2003) has already won one. So I don't think that expectation is unreasonable. I don't expect him to win one, but he should be up there.
What I don't get, is he seems to have the entire package, physically and skill wise. Yet he's not an elite player. Yeah he's 22, and maybe we're expecting too much too soon, but if he's not an elite player within the next 2 years, he's been a failure. I hope I'm proved wrong. Too many times we've had players with unfulfilled potential, so I'm sure you can understand my pessimism.
I reckon Jade made a masterstroke yesterday by putting Lids on moneyhungry. It shook him from his tag and IMO he beat MH hands down.
thejinx said:
Ive mentioned many times 99.9% of posters and media saw lit like it was, stats just confirm what we saw visually..
Some players are generally better tackles than others, ur right as a team we dont work hard enough but pointing the finger at lids is wrong...
When u write as many posts as i just have in the last hour or 2 im prone to perhaps having some clerical errors and the term eloquently was in reply to sir’s eloquently word term towards you, sheez trying to go me wiith eloquently, if that’s what ur trying to hold ur hat on thats sad jinxstar BTW the word eloquently or eloquent, is spelt with an ‘o” not an “e” and whats ur go at disco, with c’mon?
Perhaps u should look at your own wording/grammar occassions is with 1 “s” not 2 as u had put it, ive said all along if u are going to have a go at a poster for whatever reason and on this occasion cause i have a few letters wrong or the term is not right by gee u better get ur own house in order as im going to break ur posts down bit by bit to find any fault as miniscule as it can be...
I cant even believe i am engaging in such pettiness with you, you are bringing me down to ur level...Im happy to talk shop on footy but ur last paragraph trying to deflect the overall debate to grammar is a cheap shot...
thejinx said:
u honestly think cooney was the best player last year regardless of his charlie, richo or ablett were the more appropriate to win the brownlow and perhaps well not perhaps 100% fact ablett missing 4 games and richo 2 or 3 were the reasons that set them back a few votes which IMO wouldve won them the brownlow instead...all history now but just making a point...
BTW, hows cooney going this year, has he improved from last year, is he ripping it up?
thejinx said:
Not really. Deledio has been our best performed youngster over the last 4 years. He has performed remarkably well without alot of support that a player of his calibre might get at other clubs. So whilst you may be pessimistic based on history I don't really see how this can be the case with Deledio.
There does seem to be a fixation on Tambling by some. I am ecstatic that he has turned it all around for himself and it was a great fight by him yesterday to be as productive as he could when things weren't going his way. But those marking Tambling's a better game than that of Deledio's yesterday is either over-enthusiasm for Tambling or under-enthusiasm for Deledio.
Regardless I don't really care who plays the better game on any given day as long as they work for each other as a team and give their all and be consistent and true to themselves. That's a key ingredient for success. Personal accolades are secondary.
