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Can someone please teach Zips how to press the “post reply”button only once?
It’s not as if many of his posts are worth repeating
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Bill James
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Disagree, when he misses games we don't miss him. Same cannot be said for at least 10 players in front of him. Rance, Grimes, Vlaus, Astbury, Martin, Edwards, Cotchin, Prestia, Nankervis, Riewoldt, Lynch, might even add Stack to that list now. Has he ever finished top 10 in a BnF? That said he might this year because he has had a visible year when many better players have missed big slabs of the season.
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He has finished in the top 10 of the b&f six times (out of eight).
Don’t let facts get in the way of a good story!
How you can conclude that we miss all of the players you list above except for Houli will remain one of the great head scratching comments of the year. What on earth are you basing that on? Wins and loses or how much you enjoy watching the game? Seriously!
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Despite him being in the top 10 of the B&F six times (which is a role based rating system that also rewards playing games and is not an indication of market value) the point Bill makes remains valid, look at the specific of those names listed.
Common guys, all of the players that Bill listed would attract HUGE interest from other clubs if they were out of contract. The're all contracted! Houli is out of contract and all you can hear is crickets. Some will defend him based on his aging body, but where were the suitors from other clubs last year when he was out of contract?
If Houli was as good an attacking defender as people say - he would be tagged most weeks. However, teams are happy to leave him accumulate disposals because he doesn't hurt you, they prefer to put their extra behind the ball or in at the contest. This is the other side of the coin which is never looked at when assessing Houli's game.
He is clearly not in our top 10, stop the rediculing the detratractors, and start debating if he in the bottom six or just above it. There is a valid arguement there, but top 10, seriously! it's not thge detractors that are being ridiculous or clearly wrong.
Sorry 68 but it is clearly you that has comprehension issues.
No one here is saying he is our 10th best player. We are stating a fact that he finished in the clubs top 10 B&F 6 times.
I was also asking how on earth someone could justify their claim that when he doesn’t play we don’t miss him but we miss the others. Ridiculous comment.
As for you, you’re a habitual detractor who refuses to talk about Houli in glowing terms when he gets coaches votes and is playing great football. You have no credibility because the facts prove you wrong. You’re constantly trying to justify your bias against Houli and have never provided one point of logic to back it up. Just meaningless opinions and statements. Everyone is entitled to an opinion but please stop trying to support yours with silly arguments like he’s not a good attacking defender and if he was, he’d be tagged. What rubbish
Just admit you don’t like him and move on.
That's funny, doesn't look like the team noticed that the Tross man has been missing all year n Jaaack n Cotch have also missed most of the season so far. Maybe we might have missed Nank, but I'm not sure we did.
Maybe we might have noticed that we missed a whole bunch of players all at the same time when we came up against some of the better teams in the comp, but good sides rarely miss the input of one player at a time.
Bash has been a very good n consistent gut running, line breaking player for us for a long time, the dismissal of his input over the years is bloody sad n pathetic.
Fear the Beard.
I reckon he goes year to year contracts because he's a clubman, and he wants the option to go when he feels he has had enough, just like Grigga. Clubs know he wouldn't leave Richmond anyway - why would he? Start again in a side that's not as good as us? He owes us and we owe him. That's a beautiful thing.
He's also been our pre-eminent running back/distributor for most of those 8 years. I find the whole "top ten players" thing ridiculous in any case - every club needs players who do different things - we need a competing ruckman, we need a dour defender, we need an intercept marker, we need a defensive mid grunt tackler. Our small forwards even in 17 didn't get a whole bunch of possessions, that's not why they were there.
With Richmond the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. Don't underestimate the importance of the individual components in getting that magic to work though.
Of course people are free to criticise parts of his game, that's their prerogative. I find the whole endeavour largely absurd though - he's been a quality contributor for 8 years and if anything he's in career best form. Whatever floats your boat though I guess.
He's also been our pre-eminent running back/distributor for most of those 8 years. I find the whole "top ten players" thing ridiculous in any case - every club needs players who do different things - we need a competing ruckman, we need a dour defender, we need an intercept marker, we need a defensive mid grunt tackler. Our small forwards even in 17 didn't get a whole bunch of possessions, that's not why they were there.
With Richmond the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. Don't underestimate the importance of the individual components in getting that magic to work though.
Of course people are free to criticise parts of his game, that's their prerogative. I find the whole endeavour largely absurd though - he's been a quality contributor for 8 years and if anything he's in career best form. Whatever floats your boat though I guess.
A good assessment and not much to disagree with. Whenever it happens, It will be a mutually agreeable parting as he deserves.
People prioritise different things in a player - I definately have a bias for the contested types more accountable types. It's not personal thing with Houli, I think Laird is overrated for example.
Replacing him with Naish/Menadue will provide opportunity and free up 200K in salary cap space - I think that's the clubs delema.
One thing though, if you truly want the detractors to give it away, maybe don't bait them.
I watched it and laughed (..... good to see he cares FA for basketball!!)
Reminds me of another well known (reported incident):
Tiger Woods is attending a charity event 10yrs ago (at the peak of his powers) and sends his entourage over to Christina Aguillerra (likewise attending) to meet and pose for some photos.
Of course history will show he was likely wanting more
She agrees and he saunters up...........
He compliments her and says he's a fan of her music...........
She smiles and says:
"I'm sorry - I know you're famous but I don't know who you are. Do you play Basketball?"
Bwaaaaaaaaa ha ha
Hey Ben!!!!! Is that racist or what?????????
Bwaaaaaaaa ha ha
Another solid game. Ran and ran and ran. Contested hard and kicked beautifully.
Great post, Ant
Sums up Bachar's magnificent contribution to the mighty Yellow and Black
His 2017 GF performance is legendary in my book.
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