Bachar Houli - بشار حولي,

[Dyer'ere]

Re: Bachar "The Nice Guy" Houli

Because of the racism and bigotry in this country it is likely a better result for Bachar long term.

He was very very likely to cop a lot of hatred and booing if the 2 weeks stood tonight.

Now that 4 has been handed down the media tornado will subside and he should be able to return unimpeded.

It worked out ok for the AFL too, brother. Tabloid induced racist booing is bad for business.


Anyway, four is the right number IMO. Although I wholly believe that Bachar was trying to belt Lamb on the shoulder/chest. You just can't afford to miss. And he did not plead guilty.

It's an interesting hardship for the club. Things aren't really going our way. But we battle on. We've got character. I admire us.

 

[tigerlove]

Re: Bachar "The Nice Guy" Houli

Eddie's AFL, what a joke. Time to move on, the Tigers are above this BS, the whole Saga reflects on the incompetent AFL more than anything. Sorry this had to become a political statement Houli, we who have followed you know you're one of the most honest players out there, and would never intentionally harm a player. Many acknowledged this but AFL is run by people with their own agendas and maybe racist views. Band together Tiges and supporters, it's not the first time the Tigers have been ganged up on and it won't be the last.

 

[Mac]

Re: Bachar "The Nice Guy" Houli

Trying to think of comparison cases for 2 to 6 weeks. I reckon posters could come up with heaps off the top of the head.
Hodge eye gouge
Hodge hipping Wingards head into the point post
Barry Hall - several instances
Judd pressure point
Viney Jr has had a few - he always gets defending vigorously
Jack Seibel lives close to the edge and been pretty lucky not be sat out for a while
Etc etc

Here's one that struck chord though. Brian Lake chokes out Drew Petrie. Off the play. Petrie goes limp as the oxygen is cut off from his brain. Rightly caused a big stir at the time. It was scary stuff. Lake got - you guessed it - 4 weeks. For a sustained choke out while on top of a pinned player. A deliberate, prolonged attack.

Houli shrugs off an illegal scrag to run to the play and accidentally in the blink of an eye collects a guy behind him with a stray elbow - careless - reckless at most. (I once caught a guy in the gut with my elbow who was standing behind me. I didn't even know. Turned around and he was on the ground gasping for breath. I helped him up and asked him what was wrong and he told me I'd got him. I was shocked and apologised. He said nah don't worry you didn't even see me)
I'm sorry, but they're just not worth the same penalties. It's *smile*

Oh well. Move on I guess.

 

[tigersnake]

Re: Bachar "The Nice Guy" Houli

Trying to think of comparison cases for 2 to 6 weeks. I reckon posters could come up with heaps off the top of the head.
Hodge eye gouge
Hodge hipping Wingards head into the point post
Barry Hall - several instances
Judd pressure point
Viney Jr has had a few - he always gets defending vigorously
Jack Seibel lives close to the edge and been pretty lucky not be sat out for a while
Etc etc

Buddy running past the ball to iron out Shed a couple of years ago, 1 week, media thought 3 or 4.
(Buddy backhanding Rance in the throat 2 weeks ago, not even cited)
Selwood elbow dropping into a prone Mitchells back, clear intent to injure, clearly a lot of force, fine.
Fyfe backhander this season, same week and same as Nanks, fine.
Jordan Lewis breaks Cripps Jaw off the ball, neither player looking at play or ball, 3 weeks.

 

[TigerForce]

Re: Bachar "The Nice Guy" Houli

Why did the AFL have to correct the sentence? It's like they knew already. Have they done this before?

 

[IanG]

Re: Bachar "The Nice Guy" Houli

Well the one thing this week has taught me is, most Tigers supporters are as delusional as Essendon supporters

Why? At the tribunal he would have got 3, 2 is not manifestly inadequate. The AFL have never appealed before. There have been other cases where the players have been treated just as leniently...........

 

[King Kong]

Re: Bachar "The Nice Guy" Houli

Special message to Gil and Pudding guts......GAGF'd.

I wouldn't pee on either of u if u were on fire

 

[tigersnake]

Re: Bachar "The Nice Guy" Houli

Why? At the tribunal he would have got 3, 2 is not manifestly inadaquate. The AFL have never appealed before.......

I know who is delusional, and it ain't the posters using normal-sized type.

 

[Rowdy]

Re: Bachar "The Nice Guy" Houli

Why? At the tribunal he would have got 3, 2 is not manifestly inadaquate. The AFL have never appealed before.......

Read the thread, conspiracy theories everywhere, just like reading a bombers fan site.

It's all about race.
It's all about keeping Richmond down.
It's all about Eddies AFL.
It would not have been appealed if it was another team.
And on and on and on, just like bombers fans that think Hird got shafted

 

[tigersnake]

Re: Bachar "The Nice Guy" Houli

Eddie's AFL, what a joke.

thought he was king *smile* delivering that Mother theresa Line.

 

[IanG]

Re: Bachar "The Nice Guy" Houli

Read the thread, conspiracy theories everywhere, just like reading a bombers fan site.

How about you refute specific claims rather than making blanket statements.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Re: Bachar "The Nice Guy" Houli

Well the one thing this week has taught me is, most Tigers supporters are as delusional as Essendon supporters

Pffft, nobody disputes he was guilty of striking. He had his case heard fairly like everyone else, then got treated differently to everyone else. It's like the *smile* AAT in reverse.

 

[Rowdy]

Re: Bachar "The Nice Guy" Houli

How about you refute specific claims rather than making blanket statements.

Done

 

[Mac]

Re: Bachar "The Nice Guy" Houli

Buddy running past the ball to iron out Shed a couple of years ago, 1 week, media thought 3 or 4.
(Buddy backhanding Rance in the throat 2 weeks ago, not even cited)
Selwood elbow dropping into a prone Mitchells back, clear intent to injure, clearly a lot of force, fine.
Fyfe backhander this season, same week and same as Nanks, fine.
Jordan Lewis breaks Cripps Jaw off the ball, neither player looking at play or ball, 3 weeks.

Nice work. That Lewis on Cripps one. I mean, come on!

 

[Rosy]

Re: Bachar "The Nice Guy" Houli

I've been reading your posts for many years now. For some reason I get that feeling that the opinions you apparently espouse are not your own. Just an observation ...

Voices in my head. :rofl

 

[Smoking Aces]

Re: Bachar "The Nice Guy" Houli

*smile* the AFL. Even when we manouver a win like Tuesday we end up behind.

Like JB said, never thought everyone had it in for RFC. You start to wonder after the past month or so.

The positive though. Because of the racism and bigotry in this country it is likely a better result for Bachar long term.

He was very very likely to cop a lot of hatred and booing if the 2 weeks stood tonight.

Now that 4 has been handed down the media tornado will subside and he should be able to return unimpeded.

Sad as it is, that is the truth.

Great post Leysy.

We live in such a social media driven society. Everything we do is reactionary based on the opinions of those who really have no clue.

Why was there no outcry by Mr Lethlean over the Jordan Lewis penalty? He hit a bloke and broke his jaw. *smile* his sentence was reduced from 4 down to 3. Why?

The AFL for all it's good still does things that make you shake your head.

We all know FIFA is corrupt but the AFL is no clean skin.

 

[frickenel]

Re: Bachar "The Nice Guy" Houli

74 all over again! Us v them! Me against the world! Must must must win this week!

That's exactly the thought i've been having this last few hours.

Hopefully the same thoughts are permeating through the club for similar results.

 

[tigersnake]

Re: Bachar "The Nice Guy" Houli

Nice work. That Lewis on Cripps one. I mean, come on!

In all seriousness, the Buddy on Sheds one was a joke. The media all said so at the time, but the tone was very different, if was 'its a joke, move on'. Not 'this is an outrage, this has to be fixed, the league cannot send this message' etc etc that the Bachar case got. Have times really changed that much in 2 years? The Buddy one was way worse, he ran past the ball with the intention of hurting Shed. It was way worse and he got less. Sheds wasn't knocked out though from memory, but he took a while to get up, he was hurt. I wonder why the tone was different?

 

[Smoking Aces]

Re: Bachar "The Nice Guy" Houli

74 all over again! Us v them! Me against the world! Must must must win this week!

I agree. It's old school but it needs to be applied here.

Us vs them. Hardwick and Balme must use this with the players.

No way better than flogging Port this week.

 

[frickenel]

Re: Bachar "The Nice Guy" Houli

its real. You could go on all night citing examples of opposition golden boys getting off light and our players getting hung. I still remember how outraged we all were when Ty got 2 weeks when henderson or jamieson from Carlton ran into him, lit up PRE, nobody else said boo. King got a row every time. The AFL saying 'we need a strong Essendon' apparently a crap Richmond is all fine. I'll stop now, so p!ssed off.

Yes that was Jamieson.

We had a similar case with Reece Conca and Adams of Norf in one pre-season.

In both cases, the opposition player had changed direction, and run straight into a bracing Richmond opponent while they had their head on backwards.

The natural reaction is to brace for contact. In my opinion none of these incidents should be viewed in slow motion when coming to a decision on penalty or no penalty as it exadurates the time a player has to react.

In these first two cases, a player should take due care of their own personal safety first and then due care to others. If you run around with your head on backwards on a footy field, then live with the results.

In Houli's case, they've sat mulling over this for 2 hours.

Play the video in normal time and what you have is a player trying to run to make play, another at full stretch trying to hold on, and in the heat of battle, and desperation to get free of an illegal hold, Houli glancing back for a second, swinging an arm back to break the hold and accidentally making contact with the head. That's what people are saying is worth in excess of 4 weeks, but with good record...4

Penalties based on injury are most of the problem in our game, and cause massive inconsistencies. Selwood could have broken Mitchell's neck, get's nothing because through luck Mitchell pulled his face out of the turf looking like it had been used by someone to gain extra traction, but no serious damage.