Alex Rance

[jayfox]

Re: Rance - A full back at Richmond

Going by what Redmond wrote, he does have a strange kicking and running style maybe similar to Wanganeen.

He seems to speedy to be a full back and looks like we have another HBF however a skilful one.

He is not a HBF, he is a CHB/FB who is able to run off. To compare him to a Raines, McMahon, Newman or even Moore/Joel Bowden HBF types is a mistake IMO.

 

[jayfox]

Re: Rance - A full back at Richmond

Irrespective of whether Phanto's 195cm backman is a bit arbitrary (I agree with him in principle) we know that the Richmond pencil case is terribly undersized.

Alex Rance at 193 and 88 is a step in the right direction. He might furnish into a monster or he could be the small dog with the big fight in him. Either way is good. Built for #3 back as it is.

Thursty has already been set the task of being the exception to the size requirements for an AFL key defender. (He's the lightest KD in the AFL ATM.) How many exceptions do we build our team around?

Be he 195 or 100kg or both we need a much bigger player than we currently have in a key defensive slot.

BTW Scarlett is a fine FB but that's not where he played much of 2007. He played #3 back half the time. Egan, the much bigger unit, frequently played #1 back. If it's okay for the meagre Geelong side, with its star full back, to add size to its backline, why are we looking to reinvent the wheel? Who's modeling our side - Gerard Neesham?

If you want to find sides without a big defender, don't start your search at the top of the ladder. Cut to the chase; the teams you're looking for are down the bottom. And pay attention to the size of the duds that helped North overachieve this year. Duds, yeah, but big ones.

Rance is not big ATM. (He'd be the sixth heaviest in the Geelong back 7.) Might be a good player for us but he aint big.

Polak was recruited as the answer to our problem. But whoever targeted him didn't see strength as a criterion. If he improves he might give us some structure but he's no monster and punches 10?kg below his weight ATM. In fact we all know that Thursfield would destroy him.

We've got Rance. We still need big defenders. Big 'orrible ones.

If I understand you correctly, I actually don't agree with some of this DiaryEar. I don't reckon that Rance is built for a #3 back at all. I reckon he looks like he will fill out nicely (and quickly) and even if he doesn't grow anymore he should end up at about 193/95+ or so which is bigger than a 3rd back. He's not big now but he's as big or bigger than most KPD's are when they get drafted.

I also can't agree that Thursfield would destroy Polak. Polak would absolutely kill Thursfield in the air. I reckon Thursfield is a good prospect still but overrated by many on this site.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Re: Rance - A full back at Richmond

Coming from as far back as we are we need anybody who can play but size has to be an issue. We should be punting on the bigger player every time.

At least Rance looks like he has the body type we have been missing.
At 88kgs now he's a good chance to push it up towards 100kg in time.
Looks like he'll furnish nicely as you like to say.

I don't reckon that Rance is built for a #3 back at all. I reckon he looks like he will fill out nicely (and quickly) and even if he doesn't grow anymore he should end up at about 193/95+ or so which is bigger than a 3rd back. He's not big now but he's as big or bigger than most KPD's are when they get drafted.

Agree & we need more like him. Thursfield will be our number three back.

 

[Dyer'ere]

Re: Rance - A full back at Richmond


Jay, I won't be amazed if Alex furnishes to 95kg. His dad didn't but maybe his mum did. ;D Hope so.

My comment about #3 back was for the here and now and possibly the future (say, if he's like Murray). And ToO he might make 100kg. Some 18yos at 88kg do. Pretty rare but who knows?

IMO Thursfield is way too strong for Polak one-on-one and good defenders play that way. (Milne is too strong for Polak.) We'll have to agree to disagree on that one, jay. :beer

 

[BrisTiger24]

Re: Rance - A full back at Richmond

Jay, I won't be amazed if Alex furnishes to 95kg. His dad didn't but maybe his mum did. ;D Hope so.

My comment about #3 back was for the here and now and possibly the future (say, if he's like Murray). And ToO he might make 100kg. Some 18yos at 88kg do. Pretty rare but who knows?

How tall was Murray?? Didn't think he was that tall.

 

[Growl]

Re: Rance - A full back at Richmond

I was going to post something along the lines of what Wayno wrote so I'll let him say it again:

Wow,

Just saw the footage of all our draftees on Bigpond TV, Alex Rance looks very promising, I read somewhere someone thought he was slow. He is far from it, Very quick off the mark and Uses the ball very well.

Going to be a good player for Richmond.

Dean Putt also looks very good.

 

[Dyer'ere]

Re: Rance - A full back at Richmond

Superbly built at 190cm and 85kg, Murray Rance was an excellent key position player who could dominate the play with his strong high marking. He began with Swan Districts in 1981 and was a member of the club's 1982-3-4 premiership-winning combinations. In 1984 he was a member of Western Australia's victorious Australian interstate championship side and was named in the All Australian team afterwards. Rance spent the 1986 and 1987 seasons with Footscray in the VFL, where he played 40 senior games and kicked 5 goals. He returned home to Western Australia in 1988 to join West Coast and his strong performances at centre half back were instrumental in the Eagles making the finals for the first time. Between 1988 and 1990 Murray Rance played a total of 57 VFL games and booted 7 goals for West Coast; he was captain of the side in 1989. Once his VFL career was over, he resumed with Swans, where he continued playing until July 1992, taking his final tally of WAFL games to 140; he kicked 26 goals.

http://www.fullpointsfooty.net/r.htm#Murray%20Rance%20(Swan%20Districts,%20Footscray,%20West%20Coast)

 

[Disco08]

Re: Rance - A full back at Richmond

he might make 100kg. Some 18yos at 88kg do. Pretty rare but who knows?

Not that I didn't believe you JD, but I had to do a bit digging into this one.

2002 Draft

Mackie (192) 74 in 2002, 84 now
Schulz (191.5) 86, 95 (also grew 1.5cm to 193)
Lonergan (194) 80, 97 (+3cm)
Rivers (190.5) 82, 90 (+1.5cm)
Merett (193.5) 91.5, 104 (+2.5cm)
Staker (193.5) 87.5, 95 (+2.5cm)

2003 Draft

Murphy (192) 81, 95
Chaplin (193.5) 89, 95 (+2.5cm)
Pettigrew (192.5) 80, 91 (+0.5cm)
Fisher (193) 80, 91 (-2cm lol)

2004 Draft

Roughead (193) 88, 99
Dunn (192) 90, 90
Newton (193) 88, 87 (no money for food at Melbourne?)
McGuane (191) 76, 86


Hopefully Rance is somewhere in the middle of all these, so final stats of 194/98 (ish).

 

[BrisTiger24]

Re: Rance - A full back at Richmond

Roughead (193) 88, 99

I reckon Roughead is a good comparison. Similar size at draft age and similar physique I reckon. Don't think Rance will have any problem getting to 100kg. It's more likely that the coaching and conditioning guys won't let him.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Re: Rance - A full back at Richmond

Not that I didn't believe you JD, but I had to do a bit digging into this one.

Got Darren Glass's figures handy Disco?

 

[Dyer'ere]

Re: Rance - A full back at Richmond

Great research, Disco. So none of your sample did, eh? ;D

Roughead is nearest - was 93kg at draft camp, yeah? (Or was it 95kg? My memory is not what it was.) And 17yo at the time. And 196cm. Big unit even then.

But Maguire might almost fit the bill as an example. If you're looking for the exception.

But sure, if that's a reliable representation of the growth patterns of 18yos Rance will make 98kg easily. ;D

 

[Disco08]

Re: Rance - A full back at Richmond

Heh, yeah one guy did, Lonergan put on 17kg but about 8-10 added kg seems about right.

Tooheys 2002 is the first year the AFL puts height and weight in it's draft lists. Anyone know where you can get this info for older drafts?

 

[Tigers of Old]

Re: Rance - A full back at Richmond

Tooheys 2002 is the first year the AFL puts height and weight in it's draft lists. Anyone know where you can get this info for older drafts?

Glass is currently listed at 192cm 95kgs.
With a few pre-seasons you'd has at a guess Alex will be up around 97/98kgs.

 

[Hayfever]

Re: Rance - A full back at Richmond

aFTER SCOTTY TURNER I JUST NEED A 196 CM PSYCHOPathic animal running around loose in our backline beating up the opposition

Those were the days when the old backman Turner overdrive was takin' care of business :upside

 

[Willo]

Re: Rance - A full back at Richmond

About 2 or 3 effective defenders in that entire list.

Yep that's about it ToO

 

[Dyer'ere]

Re: Rance - A full back at Richmond

Thought I'd dig up a few numbers, Patsy.

2002
Hamish Mcintosh Murray Bushrangers 04/09/1984 201.8CM 100.5KG 2007 203 107 +6.5
Jobe Watson Sandringham Dragons 08/02/1985 189CM 86KG 2007 191 88 +2
Brett Ebert Port Adelaide Magpies 18/11/1983 178.2CM 83.4KG 2007 179 86 +2.5
Leigh Fisher Sandringham Dragons 19/04/1984 186CM 87KG 2007 184 93 +6


2003
Brock Mclean Calder Cannons 11/03/1986 183.4 86 2007 184 88 +2
Daniel Jackson Oakleigh Chargers 24/04/1986 185.6 87 2007 187 90 +3
Ryley Dunn Murray Bushrangers 7/10/1985 183.8 82.6 2007 182 86 +3.5
Daniel Mcconnell Eastern Ranges 21/06/1986 189.7 84 2007 189 88 +4


2004
Matthew Bate Eastern Ranges 24/05/1987 191 90 2007 192 90 nil
Ryan Griffen South Adelaide 27/07/1986 187 85 2007 188 85 nil
Jordan Lewis Geelong Falcons 24/04/1986 186 87 2007 186 89 +2
Lynden Dunn Calder Cannons 14/05/1987 192 90 2007 192 90 nil

Average gain is 2.6 kg per player. Some fill out. Some don't. Based on these infallible figures Rance will play at 90kg. :hihi

 

[Col.E.Kurtz]

Re: Rance - A full back at Richmond

Thought I'd dig up a few numbers, Patsy.

2002
Hamish Mcintosh Murray Bushrangers 04/09/1984 201.8CM 100.5KG 2007 203 107 +6.5
Jobe Watson Sandringham Dragons 08/02/1985 189CM 86KG 2007 191 88 +2
Brett Ebert Port Adelaide Magpies 18/11/1983 178.2CM 83.4KG 2007 179 86 +2.5
Leigh Fisher Sandringham Dragons 19/04/1984 186CM 87KG 2007 184 93 +6


2003
Brock Mclean   Calder Cannons   11/03/1986   183.4   86  2007 184 88 +2
Daniel Jackson   Oakleigh Chargers   24/04/1986   185.6   87  2007 187 90 +3
Ryley Dunn   Murray Bushrangers   7/10/1985   183.8   82.6    2007 182 86 +3.5
Daniel Mcconnell   Eastern Ranges   21/06/1986   189.7   84    2007 189 88 +4


2004
Matthew Bate Eastern Ranges 24/05/1987 191 90 2007 192 90 nil
Ryan Griffen South Adelaide 27/07/1986 187 85 2007 188 85 nil
Jordan Lewis Geelong Falcons 24/04/1986 186 87 2007 186 89 +2
Lynden Dunn Calder Cannons 14/05/1987 192 90 2007 192 90 nil

Average gain is 2.6 kg per player. Some fill out. Some don't. Based on these infallible figures Rance will play at 90kg.  :hihi

I like Disco’s number better, why?

1. Because they are based on KPP’s like Rance.
2. They tell me what I want to hear  ;D, namely that normal gain is 10kg+ and Race will be near enough to 100kgs is a few years time.

 

[Disco08]

Re: Rance - A full back at Richmond

Yeah, there's a lot of shrimps and the odd manchild on that list JD. Some just don't have the bones and some couldn't afford to put on much more weight.

 

[Dyer'ere]

Re: Rance - A full back at Richmond

Yeah, there's a lot of shrimps and the odd manchild on that list JD. Some just don't have the bones and some couldn't afford to put on much more weight.

Hey, it's sophisticated statistical analysis such as we've never seen before, Disco. ;D

 

[Tigers of Old]

Re: Rance - A full back at Richmond

Found these with thanks to OER. (right click for bigger image)