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Alex Rance
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Re: Rance - A full back at Richmond
i agree oldie theres nothing that says your kpd have to be 195cm plus. the big requirement is an ability to become powerful whilst retaining your agility speed etc.i think genuine height is also a requirement but 190 plus is tall enough. shorter than this and you start to struggle with the tall guys.Tigers of Old said:
Re: Rance - A full back at Richmond
Let's not fall into the trap Melbourne have been in for a few years............... big tall backline, very vulnerable (likely skills related too though).
Let's not fall into the trap Melbourne have been in for a few years............... big tall backline, very vulnerable (likely skills related too though).
Re: Rance - A full back at Richmond
aFTER SCOTTY TURNER I JUST NEED A 196 CM PSYCHOPathic animal running around loose in our backline beating up the opposition
aFTER SCOTTY TURNER I JUST NEED A 196 CM PSYCHOPathic animal running around loose in our backline beating up the opposition
Re: Rance - A full back at Richmond
I'm happy to discuss this tonight Phanto, but my simple take on the required height for key defenders is I simply look at the 3 best full backs in the league; Scarlett, Rutten and Glass. These guys are all strong, pretty quick over 20, good in the air, and are around the 192-193 mark. Therefore, key defenders don't have to be over 194, if they possess these aforementioned attributes.
I'm happy to discuss this tonight Phanto, but my simple take on the required height for key defenders is I simply look at the 3 best full backs in the league; Scarlett, Rutten and Glass. These guys are all strong, pretty quick over 20, good in the air, and are around the 192-193 mark. Therefore, key defenders don't have to be over 194, if they possess these aforementioned attributes.
Re: Rance - A full back at Richmond
Goes hand in hand IMO.
The more gangly they are, the more unco they generally are too.
Red Sea Tiger said:
Goes hand in hand IMO.
The more gangly they are, the more unco they generally are too.
Re: Rance - A full back at Richmond
Wow,
Just saw the footage of all our draftees on Bigpond TV, Alex Rance looks very promising, I read somewhere someone thought he was slow. He is far from it, Very quick off the mark and Uses the ball very well.
Going to be a good player for Richmond.
Dean Putt also looks very good.
Wow,
Just saw the footage of all our draftees on Bigpond TV, Alex Rance looks very promising, I read somewhere someone thought he was slow. He is far from it, Very quick off the mark and Uses the ball very well.
Going to be a good player for Richmond.
Dean Putt also looks very good.
Re: Rance - A full back at Richmond
Yep.
Understand what you are saying. And where we are at the moment, we probably don't need one. But if / when we make it to a GF and we suddenly find out that the opposition has a Salmon / Richo-like FF (who can kick straight) and we can't match up on him. Well, it's a bit late then.
Don't have to play the tall mobile defender every week, but you sure as hell better make sure that you've got one in the cache if / when you need him.
Geelong has Egan,
Westcoast has Jaymie Graham,
Sydney has Roberts-Thomson.
That's a pretty good guide.
Don't have to play 'em every week, but make sure you've got one if you need to.
Shers said:
Yep.
Understand what you are saying. And where we are at the moment, we probably don't need one. But if / when we make it to a GF and we suddenly find out that the opposition has a Salmon / Richo-like FF (who can kick straight) and we can't match up on him. Well, it's a bit late then.
Don't have to play the tall mobile defender every week, but you sure as hell better make sure that you've got one in the cache if / when you need him.
Geelong has Egan,
Westcoast has Jaymie Graham,
Sydney has Roberts-Thomson.
That's a pretty good guide.
Don't have to play 'em every week, but make sure you've got one if you need to.
Re: Rance - A full back at Richmond
There in lies the real problem.
Forget 195+, we haven't got anyone like above.
Hopefully Rance goes someway towards correcting this but we should still be looking to strengthen this area further.
At least it's a start.
Shers said:
There in lies the real problem.
Forget 195+, we haven't got anyone like above.
Hopefully Rance goes someway towards correcting this but we should still be looking to strengthen this area further.
At least it's a start.
Re: Rance - A full back at Richmond
Agree totally. Very rare to find a supremely skillful quick player over 195cm. And if they are, they won't be playing full-back. To handle the best forwards in the league, you need help from your other backmen, block the runs, take the space etc etc. One player at fullback, no matter how tall is going to generally beat the best footballers in the league.
Tigers of Old said:
Agree totally. Very rare to find a supremely skillful quick player over 195cm. And if they are, they won't be playing full-back. To handle the best forwards in the league, you need help from your other backmen, block the runs, take the space etc etc. One player at fullback, no matter how tall is going to generally beat the best footballers in the league.
Re: Rance - A full back at Richmond
Irrespective of whether Phanto's 195cm backman is a bit arbitrary (I agree with him in principle) we know that the Richmond pencil case is terribly undersized.
Alex Rance at 193 and 88 is a step in the right direction. He might furnish into a monster or he could be the small dog with the big fight in him. Either way is good. Built for #3 back as it is.
Thursty has already been set the task of being the exception to the size requirements for an AFL key defender. (He's the lightest KD in the AFL ATM.) How many exceptions do we build our team around?
Be he 195 or 100kg or both we need a much bigger player than we currently have in a key defensive slot.
BTW Scarlett is a fine FB but that's not where he played much of 2007. He played #3 back half the time. Egan, the much bigger unit, frequently played #1 back. If it's okay for the meagre Geelong side, with its star full back, to add size to its backline, why are we looking to reinvent the wheel? Who's modeling our side - Gerard Neesham?
If you want to find sides without a big defender, don't start your search at the top of the ladder. Cut to the chase; the teams you're looking for are down the bottom. And pay attention to the size of the duds that helped North overachieve this year. Duds, yeah, but big ones.
Rance is not big ATM. (He'd be the sixth heaviest in the Geelong back 7.) Might be a good player for us but he aint big.
Polak was recruited as the answer to our problem. But whoever targeted him didn't see strength as a criterion. If he improves he might give us some structure but he's no monster and punches 10?kg below his weight ATM. In fact we all know that Thursfield would destroy him.
We've got Rance. We still need big defenders. Big 'orrible ones.
Irrespective of whether Phanto's 195cm backman is a bit arbitrary (I agree with him in principle) we know that the Richmond pencil case is terribly undersized.
Alex Rance at 193 and 88 is a step in the right direction. He might furnish into a monster or he could be the small dog with the big fight in him. Either way is good. Built for #3 back as it is.
Thursty has already been set the task of being the exception to the size requirements for an AFL key defender. (He's the lightest KD in the AFL ATM.) How many exceptions do we build our team around?
Be he 195 or 100kg or both we need a much bigger player than we currently have in a key defensive slot.
BTW Scarlett is a fine FB but that's not where he played much of 2007. He played #3 back half the time. Egan, the much bigger unit, frequently played #1 back. If it's okay for the meagre Geelong side, with its star full back, to add size to its backline, why are we looking to reinvent the wheel? Who's modeling our side - Gerard Neesham?
If you want to find sides without a big defender, don't start your search at the top of the ladder. Cut to the chase; the teams you're looking for are down the bottom. And pay attention to the size of the duds that helped North overachieve this year. Duds, yeah, but big ones.
Rance is not big ATM. (He'd be the sixth heaviest in the Geelong back 7.) Might be a good player for us but he aint big.
Polak was recruited as the answer to our problem. But whoever targeted him didn't see strength as a criterion. If he improves he might give us some structure but he's no monster and punches 10?kg below his weight ATM. In fact we all know that Thursfield would destroy him.
We've got Rance. We still need big defenders. Big 'orrible ones.
Re: Rance - A full back at Richmond
What was Steve Silvagni's height & weight when he was at his best?
What was Steve Silvagni's height & weight when he was at his best?
Re: Rance - A full back at Richmond
Interesting post Jack and you make some valid points.
When you run through our team's list there's no doubt we lack height and even more so weight not only in defence but across the board when compared with sides like Port, Geelong & the Roos. It's the lack of those physically mature bodies that's killing us.
We just don't intimidate opposition sides when you have the likes of J Bowden, Polak, Thursfield, Moore & McGuane in key defensive roles. :-[
Dyer'ere said:
Interesting post Jack and you make some valid points.
When you run through our team's list there's no doubt we lack height and even more so weight not only in defence but across the board when compared with sides like Port, Geelong & the Roos. It's the lack of those physically mature bodies that's killing us.
We just don't intimidate opposition sides when you have the likes of J Bowden, Polak, Thursfield, Moore & McGuane in key defensive roles. :-[
Re: Rance - A full back at Richmond
Going by what Redmond wrote, he does have a strange kicking and running style maybe similar to Wanganeen.
He seems to speedy to be a full back and looks like we have another HBF however a skilful one.
Going by what Redmond wrote, he does have a strange kicking and running style maybe similar to Wanganeen.
He seems to speedy to be a full back and looks like we have another HBF however a skilful one.
Re: Rance - A full back at Richmond
You can never have too much speed as a full back.
TigerForce said:
You can never have too much speed as a full back.
Re: Rance - A full back at Richmond
From memory, Maleny, 193 and 94. Maybe a bit bigger than you'd expect Rance to play at.
A few things about SOS. First he's retired. A player from another age. Secondly he's the fullback of the century (last century :hihi ) - he's an exception to some extent. And thirdly the FB of the century played 15 games in the back pocket or full forward against Richmond because there wasn't anywhere else to hide him after Richo had finished destroying him (usually took about 15 minutes). He had his physical limitations and Richo exploited them all.
That's why, when SOS is commentating, he won't hear a bad word about Richo.
That said, we'd have a new Silvagni tomorrow. Brilliant FB. Talent will usually out.
But two of the best fullbacks to play in Silvagni's era were Ash McIntosh (195 and 100 IIRC) and Dustine Fletcher (197 and 100?). Sivagni was not a big fella even in his time.
ToO I don't thnk it's just about maturity. The kids we target are usually too small. Hurn might be a jib but he's a very big jib. JON is not a jib, certainly not compared to that big sissy Hurn, but there aint much of him. Josh Hunt is absolutely terrified but he's 100kg of jitters. Blokes fall over his shadow (it's heavier than most of our defenders).
Coming from as far back as we are we need anybody who can play but size has to be an issue. We should be punting on the bigger player every time.
So what our defenders need is more Lou Reed, eh?
From memory, Maleny, 193 and 94. Maybe a bit bigger than you'd expect Rance to play at.
A few things about SOS. First he's retired. A player from another age. Secondly he's the fullback of the century (last century :hihi ) - he's an exception to some extent. And thirdly the FB of the century played 15 games in the back pocket or full forward against Richmond because there wasn't anywhere else to hide him after Richo had finished destroying him (usually took about 15 minutes). He had his physical limitations and Richo exploited them all.
That's why, when SOS is commentating, he won't hear a bad word about Richo.
That said, we'd have a new Silvagni tomorrow. Brilliant FB. Talent will usually out.
But two of the best fullbacks to play in Silvagni's era were Ash McIntosh (195 and 100 IIRC) and Dustine Fletcher (197 and 100?). Sivagni was not a big fella even in his time.
ToO I don't thnk it's just about maturity. The kids we target are usually too small. Hurn might be a jib but he's a very big jib. JON is not a jib, certainly not compared to that big sissy Hurn, but there aint much of him. Josh Hunt is absolutely terrified but he's 100kg of jitters. Blokes fall over his shadow (it's heavier than most of our defenders).
Coming from as far back as we are we need anybody who can play but size has to be an issue. We should be punting on the bigger player every time.
Leysy Days said:
So what our defenders need is more Lou Reed, eh?
