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Alex Rance

Re: Rance - A full back at Richmond

Disco08 said:
Yeah totally agree. Taking into account the relative quality of their drafts he was picked in a similar fashion to The Steamer.

I'd be very happy to see him spend at least the first 16 rounds playing for Coburg next year, give him a little taste at the end of the year and then start him at Coburg in 2009 and leave him there until he is killing whoever he plays on. The last thing he needs is to be Dawsoned.
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Exactly Duckman.

A lot of upside.... and as Poobox's Swan District's stats confirm (and as I said earlier), he is a mega hard rebounder. Mega hard. He's just gotta be able to also play one on one and also make those rebound posessions count when under the intense pressure of senior AFL footy.

If he does, he could be awesome. Lets hope so.
 
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I know he toweled up a couple of opponents at Subiaco, but the WA midfield made that pretty easy for him, but how did he go for the rest of the carnival in terms of shutting his man down and also in terms of reading the play and leaving his man when the situation calls for it?
 
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he is too good to be playing at the burgs

just let him play the way ryder was given a free role in his first season and watch out
 
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I'd rather see him take the Darren Glass path to AFL.
 
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Tigers of Old said:
It's no Daniel Connors slide.
Most of the recruiters seemed genuinely surprised that Rance was still there at 18.
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True, but Connors had nowhere near the rep/standing that Rance had. Connors was NEVER going to go first round.
 
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Disco08 said:
I'd rather see him take the Darren Glass path to AFL.
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Hunter...Glass. I'd take either.

As for standing a man, he's not too bad across half back when the ball is coming in high, but havent seen a lot of him at the fb position.
 
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Redford said:
Ok. At the risk of starting a 20 page thread out of nothing, here goes. (Geez, here comes the serious Redford. How boring.)

These blokes have been studied for 3+ years. They don’t slide in the draft for no reason. And Rance slid a long way. And I mean a long way. Here’s why.

Firstly, without wishing to sound like a killjoy or endure the roth of the ‘on the fringes’ Brightsiders who hardly get to a game or to any clubs outside of Richmond and whose love of Richmond doesn’t allow them to at least even contemplate reality of most things football visa Richmond, or what the outside universe may think, the fact is that rightly or wrongly, a lot of clubs viewed Rance as lacking composure and execution.
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Claw rated Rance as high as a pick #2 chance........ so are you questioning the judgement of PRE's resident expert?
Great band Van Halen :clap

Enough of you trying to be serious Red. Go back to kicking heads ;)
 
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Intresting Red, the slip astounds me but from what I saw of Rance I thought he made pretty sound choices with the ball in his hands.
 
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Redford said:
Brightsiders who hardly get to a game or to any clubs outside of Richmond and whose love of Richmond doesn’t allow them to at least even contemplate reality of most things football visa Richmond, or what the outside universe may think,
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Can I add this to my profile red?
 
Re: Rance - A full back at Richmond

Tigers of Old said:
Lets have a closer look then at those over 195cm+ as you continue to push..


Brent Staker - 196 cms. Forward.

Graham - 196 cms. 5 games for the year. Promising but unproven.

Roberts-Thomson - 2 games for the year. Only 194cms.

Gilbert - 194cms Shows promise after 20 games.

Brown - 194cms. Played forward a lot this year for 21 goals. Reasonable defender.


Chaplin - 196cms. Genuine tall defender.

Egan - 196cms - Genuine tall defender.

Fletcher - 199cms - Genuine tall defender (exceptional)

Ryder - 197cms genuine tall defender/ruckman

Harris - 195cms genuine tall defender.

Merret - 196cms. Genuine tall defender.


Perhaps at a closer look more than the 2 or 3 I suggested however that's still only 6 195cm + genuinely effective defenders in the entire league.

Yet you want two on our list at the minimum? :headscratch

I think that type is becoming more redundant every year as the pace of the game picks up and there is a greater emphasis on skills.
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In response.

1. A 194cm defender is still taller than what we have, given the reluctance to play Polak in defence, so I wouldn't go crossing the 194cm defenders out. Remember, apart from Polak, we don't have any 194cm defenders.

2. As said previously, the two I've recommended on the list are: 1. an established one, 2. a junior/developing one, usually playing in the seconds (VFL). I see you conveniently decided to delete the list of junior/developing tall defenders at other clubs. Alot of our problem is that we don't have tall defenders developing in our seconds (VFL).

3. Players out with injury, are still on the list as would more than likely be used by the clubs if/when fit.

4. Some do play part-time as forwards, depending on team balance, but also have a good history with games in defence.
So I will go back to restating these.

Not up to date, but this is off the 2007 lists.

Adelaide - Perrie / McGregor
Brisbane - Merrett / Garner / Mills
Bulldogs - Harris / Williams
Carlton - Saddington / Austin / Jamison
Collingwood - Brown
Essendon - Fletcher / Charters / Bolton / Bradley / Lee / Ryder
Freo -
Geelong - Egan / Spencer / Playfair
Hawks - Dawson
North - Brown / Petrie / Hansen
Melbourne - Nicholson / Holland / Ferguson
Port - Chaplin
Richmond - Hall / Polak
StKilda - Gilbert / Wall
Sydney - Roberts-Thomson / Barlow
Westcoast - Staker / Graham / Schofield / McKenzie / Thompson / Wilkes

Every team needs 'em. Not every team has got 'em.

Personally, two on the list - one established, one junior/developing - should be the minimum.

Even Geelong this month have:
1. Kept Egan
2. Discarded Spencer & Playfair
3. Drafted Taylor, McKenna & S.Simpson
 
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IMO Rance slipped not through lack of something but other needs from other clubs.The doggies said themselves they would have taken Rance if Grant wasnt there.They needed a fwd more than a backman.
Stkilda had a choice of either McEvoy or Rance.Im Suprised they went for McEvoy as i think their defence needed more attention.I guess McEvoy was too hard to ignore
West Coast were always going to take a Mid at 13.
I admit an argument can be mounted for both North and the Hawks.Both could have taken Rance without a raising of an eyebrow.
At the end of the day Rance kept his rating as the best defender selected in the draft
 
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What is Rance's disposal like?

The reviews I've read emphasize how he is a strong bodied backman who is good over head. Nothing about the quality of his disposal.
 
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The postives for Rance are:
1. He is at least marginally past 192cm tall.
2. He is a defender.
3. He had an outstanding carnival.
4. He averaged over 20 possies a game in the WAFL Colts, and exceeded 30 possies in a handful of occassions.
5. He is strong overhead.
6. Has pretty good endurance, which would account for his high possession rates.
7. Already has a good physical mass (weight).

The cons are:
1. He doesn't have explosive pace, so may struggle against a fast leading forward.

The I don't knows are:
1. Haven't seen enough of his kicking to decide either way but there didn't appear to be any technique faults as per some others.
2. Don't know his psychological assessment, but certainly not a Zac Millar.

All I can say is that we were damned lucky to get him at #18. Mind you, I did say a similar thing back in 2005 when we got Cleve Hughes at #24. ;)
 
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Surely we wouldnt fall into the "Darren *smile*" trap again! his kicking looked good in the game that i saw
 
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Redford said:
Ok. At the risk of starting a 20 page thread out of nothing, here goes. (Geez, here comes the serious Redford. How boring.)

These blokes have been studied for 3+ years. They don’t slide in the draft for no reason. And Rance slid a long way. And I mean a long way. Here’s why.

Firstly, without wishing to sound like a killjoy or endure the roth of the ‘on the fringes’ Brightsiders who hardly get to a game or to any clubs outside of Richmond and whose love of Richmond doesn’t allow them to at least even contemplate reality of most things football visa Richmond, or what the outside universe may think, the fact is that rightly or wrongly, a lot of clubs viewed Rance as lacking composure and execution.

Anyone watching game 2 of the National Carnival would have seen this. Rance turned the ball over time and time again coming out of the backline. He has an awkward guiding of the ball in his kicking action just like his old man Murray. (Anyone who hasn’t seen Murray, go and watch some footage of his ball drop.)

Rance likes to rebound and run hard off the backline. And I mean hard. That’s good and things go well when there’s no pressure, but when there’s traffic and/or decision making involved, he can sometimes drop away.

The upside for Richmond is that he is a strong and big defensive player – which we desperately need. He is also very hard at the ball which we also need.

I liken him a lot to Adam Hunter - albeit Rance being 2cm taller than Hunter and Hunter starting initially as a forward.

Hunter, despite showing promise in his early years made mistake after mistake. He would run that big body of his in straight lines and always attempt to do the right thing, but he made a lot of mistakes. Eventually, he worked the WCE system out and became one of their most valuable players. I’m hoping Rance can become the same player for us.

Question is, does Richmond have the same structure and discipline in place to allow him to grow into a similar player. Dunno. He could be great. He could struggle. Who knows. I'll wait and see. Regardless, I think it is crazy the expections some people have on what is, after all, a pick 18 player.
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What rubbish. Miller stared the other clubs down and we got him. The guy has superstar written all over him and will be a 200 game player.
 
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jb03 said:
What rubbish. Miller stared the other clubs down and we got him. The guy has superstar written all over him and will be a 200 game player.
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You said the same thing about Dean Limbach.
 
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Phantom said:
In response.

1. A 194cm defender is still taller than what we have, given the reluctance to play Polak in defence, so I wouldn't go crossing the 194cm defenders out. Remember, apart from Polak, we don't have any 194cm defenders.
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That's fine but you have been pushing the barrow for ages that we need defensive players 195-198cm which I strongly disagree with.

194cms is virtually 193cm and with good athleticism(co-ordination & skills) a 193cm-195cm defensive player should be capable of minding taller players.

I think in general the taller the defender gets, despite the extra few centimeters you gain in the air, they become a liability at ground level and their skills also drop off.
That is a problem close to the opposition goals when you consider how much of the game is played at ground level.

IMO there is no way known you should have two of these types on your list and at a pinch you should have one IF they are good enough.

As we have seen from the sample of 195-198cm examples you have posted there are only a handful in the entire competition who are.
 
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