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Alex Rance

Re: Rance - A full back at Richmond

CC TIGER said:
Guys I have asked this question before but can somebody name all these 195+ Key defenders that are a must in defence
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Good question.
Not up to date, but this is off the 2007 lists.

Adelaide - Perrie / McGregor
Brisbane - Merrett / Garner / Mills
Bulldogs - Harris / Williams
Carlton - Saddington / Austin / Jamison
Collingwood - Brown
Essendon - Fletcher / Charters / Bolton / Bradley / Lee / Ryder
Freo -
Geelong - Egan / Spencer / Playfair
Hawks - Dawson
North - Brown / Petrie / Hansen
Melbourne - Nicholson / Ferguson
Port - Chaplin
Richmond - Hall / Polak
StKilda - Gilbert / Wall
Sydney - Roberts-Thomson / Barlow
Westcoast - Staker / Graham / Schofield / McKenzie / Thompson / Wilkes

Every team needs 'em. Not every team has got 'em.

Personally, two on the list - one established, one junior/developing - should be the minimum.

Even Geelong this month have:
1. Kept Egan
2. Discarded Spencer & Playfair
3. Drafted Taylor, McKenna & S.Simpson
 
Re: Rance - A full back at Richmond

Tigers of Old said:
About 2 or 3 effective defenders in that entire list.
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From bottom to top,
Staker, Graham, Roberts-Thomson, Gilbert, Chaplin, Brown, Egan, Fletcher, Ryder, Harris, Merret, a few part-timers & the rest are either kids or no good.
 
Re: Rance - A full back at Richmond

See Rance as the 3rd tall defender this year might take McGaune's spot
King Thursfield Rance
McMahon Polak Bowden

Or Polak to play CHF allowing Richo to play out of the square & McGaune CHB

King Thursfield Rance
McMahon McGaune Bowden

Either way I see him in the side this will allow Newman & Raines to play up the ground.
 
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Lets have a closer look then at those over 195cm+ as you continue to push..


Brent Staker - 196 cms. Forward.

Graham - 196 cms. 5 games for the year. Promising but unproven.

Roberts-Thomson - 2 games for the year. Only 194cms.

Gilbert - 194cms Shows promise after 20 games.

Brown - 194cms. Played forward a lot this year for 21 goals. Reasonable defender.


Chaplin - 196cms. Genuine tall defender.

Egan - 196cms - Genuine tall defender.

Fletcher - 199cms - Genuine tall defender (exceptional)

Ryder - 197cms genuine tall defender/ruckman

Harris - 195cms genuine tall defender.

Merret - 196cms. Genuine tall defender.


Perhaps at a closer look more than the 2 or 3 I suggested however that's still only 6 195cm + genuinely effective defenders in the entire league.

Phantom said:
Personally, two on the list - one established, one junior/developing - should be the minimum.
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Yet you want two on our list at the minimum? :headscratch

I think that type is becoming more redundant every year as the pace of the game picks up and there is a greater emphasis on skills.
 
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I've got nothin. Liked what I saw in the only game on Fox but that's it. He didn't play in any other televised WAFL game that I saw.
 
Re: Rance - A full back at Richmond

Tigers of Old said:
Lets have a closer look then at those over 195cm+ as you continue to push..


Brent Staker - 196 cms. Forward.

Graham - 196 cms. 5 games for the year. Promising but unproven.

Roberts-Thomson - 2 games for the year. Only 194cms.

Gilbert - 194cms Shows promise after 20 games.

Brown - 194cms. Played forward a lot this year for 21 goals. Reasonable defender.


Chaplin - 196cms. Genuine tall defender.

Egan - 196cms - Genuine tall defender.

Fletcher - 199cms - Genuine tall defender (exceptional)

Ryder - 197cms genuine tall defender/ruckman

Harris - 195cms genuine tall defender.

Merret - 196cms. Genuine tall defender.


Perhaps at a closer look more than the 2 or 3 I suggested however that's still only 6 195cm + genuinely effective defenders in the entire league.

Yet you want two on our list at the minimum? :headscratch

I think that type is becoming more redundant every year as the pace of the game picks up and there is a greater emphasis on skills.
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Spot on TOO, there are plenty of guys -195cms that play taller than those listed above anyhow.
 
Re: Rance - A full back at Richmond

I know you can take forum opinions with a grain of salt, but generally when Burgan, Quayle, Sheehan and the other more noted experts all agree on a kid it's a safe bet they'll be around the mark. So whatever the reason for Rance falling, if it's a performance issue the other clubs kept it very quiet and none of the experts picked up on it.

Maybe a kind of domino effect from Ebert slipping. Most though Rance wouldn't get past West Coast's pick 13, but with the need to rebuild their midfield and probably one of the top 3 or 4 midfielders in Ebert still there they couldn't pass the chance up. The common them after that is that Grimes, Tarrant and Lobbe were all linked to the clubs that picked them from a long way out. Adelaide obviously really liked the look of Dangerfield to take him ahead of Ebert and Sydney need the tough in-and-under guy to replace Kirk in the near future and Veszpremi looks ideal for that type of role and style.

So hopefully that's it and Richmond, for once, genuinely hit the jackpot.
 
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Ok. At the risk of starting a 20 page thread out of nothing, here goes. (Geez, here comes the serious Redford. How boring.)

These blokes have been studied for 3+ years. They don’t slide in the draft for no reason. And Rance slid a long way. And I mean a long way. Here’s why.

Firstly, without wishing to sound like a killjoy or endure the roth of the ‘on the fringes’ Brightsiders who hardly get to a game or to any clubs outside of Richmond and whose love of Richmond doesn’t allow them to at least even contemplate reality of most things football visa Richmond, or what the outside universe may think, the fact is that rightly or wrongly, a lot of clubs viewed Rance as lacking composure and execution.

Anyone watching game 2 of the National Carnival would have seen this. Rance turned the ball over time and time again coming out of the backline. He has an awkward guiding of the ball in his kicking action just like his old man Murray. (Anyone who hasn’t seen Murray, go and watch some footage of his ball drop.)

Rance likes to rebound and run hard off the backline. And I mean hard. That’s good and things go well when there’s no pressure, but when there’s traffic and/or decision making involved, he can sometimes drop away.

The upside for Richmond is that he is a strong and big defensive player – which we desperately need. He is also very hard at the ball which we also need.

I liken him a lot to Adam Hunter - albeit Rance being 2cm taller than Hunter and Hunter starting initially as a forward.

Hunter, despite showing promise in his early years made mistake after mistake. He would run that big body of his in straight lines and always attempt to do the right thing, but he made a lot of mistakes. Eventually, he worked the WCE system out and became one of their most valuable players. I’m hoping Rance can become the same player for us.

Question is, does Richmond have the same structure and discipline in place to allow him to grow into a similar player. Dunno. He could be great. He could struggle. Who knows. I'll wait and see. Regardless, I think it is crazy the expections some people have on what is, after all, a pick 18 player.
 
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Redford said:
Ok. At the risk of starting a 20 page thread out of nothing, here goes. (Geez, here comes the serious Redford. How boring.)

These blokes have been studied for 3+ years. They don’t slide in the draft for no reason. And Rance slid a long way. And I mean a long way. Here’s why.

Firstly, without wishing to sound like a killjoy or endure the roth of the ‘on the fringes’ Brightsiders who hardly get to a game or to any clubs outside of Richmond and whose love of Richmond doesn’t allow them to at least even contemplate reality of most things football visa Richmond, or what the outside universe may think, the fact is that rightly or wrongly, a lot of clubs viewed Rance as lacking composure and execution.

Anyone watching game 2 of the National Carnival would have seen this. Rance turned the ball over time and time again coming out of the backline. He has an awkward guiding of the ball in his kicking action just like his old man Murray. (Anyone who hasn’t seen Murray, go and watch some footage of his ball drop.)

Rance likes to rebound and run hard off the backline. And I mean hard. That’s good and things go well when there’s no pressure, but when there’s traffic and/or decision making involved, he can sometimes drop away.

The upside for Richmond is that he is a strong and big defensive player – which we desperately need. He is also very hard at the ball which we also need.

I liken him a lot to Adam Hunter - albeit Rance being 2cm taller than Hunter and Hunter starting initially as a forward.

Hunter, despite showing promise in his early years made mistake after mistake. He would run that big body of his in straight lines and always attempt to do the right thing, but he made a lot of mistakes. Eventually, he worked the WCE system out and became one of their most valuable players. I’m hoping Rance can become the same player for us.

Question is, does Richmond have the same structure and discipline in place to allow him to grow into a similar player. Dunno. Regardless, I think it is crazy the expections some people have on what is, after all, a pick 18 player.
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Or it's that. ;D
 
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What I'm most interested in TBH is his ability to read the play and contest with the bigger guys. The Dogs' Harris is a very mediocre kick but his ability to shut down the main oppositions forwards is huge for them. Does Rance project as a guy that can play this kind of role?
 
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No not at all. In fact after reading what you said I remember Emma Quayle alluded to that in an article not long ago (I think).
 
Re: Rance - A full back at Richmond

Disco08 said:
No not at all. In fact after reading what you said I remember Emma Quayle alluded to that in an article not long ago (I think).
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I meant crazy as in the high expectations people have of who is, in reality, a second round draft pick.

Think about that. He is a second draft pick.

For nothing else but for the kid's sake, keep that in perspective people.
 
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Yeah totally agree. Taking into account the relative quality of their drafts he was picked in a similar fashion to The Steamer.

I'd be very happy to see him spend at least the first 16 rounds playing for Coburg next year, give him a little taste at the end of the year and then start him at Coburg in 2009 and leave him there until he is killing whoever he plays on. The last thing he needs is to be Dawsoned.
 
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I know that stats don't tell the full story on a player but I just had a look at all of his stats with Swan Districts for the year. He regularly led the possession count for Swan Districts colts, consistantly getting 20+ possessions and a few times getting 30+ possessions. He played 1 league game just before the carnival and got 22 possessions so he obviously has no trouble getting the ball. Based on the fact that he has size and courage as Bigturd suggests, and racks up possessions like a gun midfielder, it either means that he may have execution problems or he is the greatest steal in the history of weak drafts. Unfortunately, I haven't seen enough to make a firm decision but I hope for our sake that Breadboard is wrong (for a change).
 
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