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Alex Rance

I can't see why Grimey can't develop into a great KPD BCL. Good speed and excellent timing on his spoils - I reckon he'll be fantastic with a couple more preseason's development.

Leysy Days said:
McGuane was the better matchup leysy thought Disco.

Despite his height Rance doesnt play tall. Still he went to other players & was still beaten.

Love him & far be it for leysy to criticise as he knows far more about coaching but didnt think it was one of Dimma's better performances. Have other thoughts if anyone can be bothered to listen.

I think we're all hoping Dimma isn't coaching solely to win games ATM because some of the moves he's making don't make a lot of sense if they're not being made with development in mind.

I didn't notice Rance standing anyone aside from Minson, but I wasn't there obviously. Terrible match up though with predictable results. I actually thought Rance did OK at times given the task.
 
Disco08 said:
I can't see why Grimey can't develop into a great KPD BCL. Good speed and excellent timing on his spoils - I reckon he'll be fantastic with a couple more preseason's development.

I like him, has shown speed, ability to read the play and undoubted spoiling ability (although would like to know if he can take a contested mark), but will he be big enough? Remember thinking Thursfield was going to be a long-term KPD answer but he is simply not big enough.
 
He had Rance on Minson and McGuane on Jones when the opposite match-ups would have been better. Grimes was on Grant and was terrible today.

It's not helping that other options are injured (Moore, Thursfield) or part of the beltings Coburg are getting (Astbury, Post and Gourdis) and not showing the form to warrant being selected at AFL level.

The other terrible match up was leaving Foley on the bench for the first 10 minutes of the game and not having Martin and Cotchin at the opening centre bounce. First part of the match you must go with your best midfield.
 
Big Cat Lover said:
I like him, has shown speed, ability to read the play and undoubted spoiling ability (although would like to know if he can take a contested mark), but will he be big enough? Remember thinking Thursfield was going to be a long-term KPD answer but he is simply not big enough.

As long as he can put on the muscle without sacrificing speed I don't see why not.
 
Agree Disco.

Grimes has all the natural attributes we need in a key back. Experience & importantly confidence will give him everything else he needs.
 
Disco08 said:
As long as he can put on the muscle without sacrificing speed I don't see why not.

That's a reasonable 'if'.

He doesn't have the body shape that suggests its going to get that much bigger
 
Col.W.Kurtz said:
That's a reasonable 'if'.

He doesn't have the body shape that suggests its going to get that much bigger either

People said the same about Jack Riewoldt Col. How he was only a flanker and was too small. The one thing I look for in KPF's is their core/legs. McGuane has chicken legs as does Thursfield. Grimes is already pretty solid through the core for his age. Pretty sure he's also put on 6kg since being drafted. He's no Westhoff, he will fill out nicely. He just seems to hunch a bit so seems smaller than he is, same with Rance.

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Disco08 said:
What did you think of the decision to play him on Minson Leysy?

the coaches seem pretty committed to play rance at fullback at the moment. he has played there since his return from suspension regardless of matchups.
it does look like they are coaching for the future with rance, giving him a big chance to make full back his own.
 
Barnzy said:
People said the same about Jack Riewoldt Col. How he was only a flanker and was too small. The one thing I look for in KPF's is their core/legs. McGuane has chicken legs as does Thursfield. Grimes is already pretty solid through the core for his age. Pretty sure he's also put on 6kg since being drafted. He's no Westhoff, he will fill out nicely. He just seems to hunch a bit so seems smaller than he is, same with Rance.

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Haha I think he just needs a tan...he and his bro are certaintly pale types, being very white makes you seem thinner than you really are....can't see the def in the arms as much but as Barnzy's pic suggests, he has more size than meets the eyeze
 
Barnzy said:
People said the same about Jack Riewoldt Col. How he was only a flanker and was too small. The one thing I look for in KPF's is their core/legs. McGuane has chicken legs as does Thursfield. Grimes is already pretty solid through the core for his age. Pretty sure he's also put on 6kg since being drafted. He's no Westhoff, he will fill out nicely. He just seems to hunch a bit so seems smaller than he is, same with Rance.

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sticks.

 
Doggies dominated centre clearances contested footy and stoppage clearances early doors which left the defence on a hiding to nothing.

I thought Rance did ok and at least put his body over the ball time and again which many of his mates didnt costing crap goals.

Millers fend off when we had the run and resultant free and transfer goal was the moment i said to my mate theres the momentum killer right there, the dogs piled on 3 goals and that was that.

Lot of blokes didnt turn their bodies into contests in the first half and let a lot of easy ball come out of contests cost numerous inside 50s for the dogs and goals.

McGuane is still a dud.
 
Rance tried his guts out today, for a 21 y.o. being thrown in the deep end he is doing his best considering his height and strength, having to play 1/2nd KPD is not his fault.

Our rucks and mids are to blame today, they just let the ball come into the dogs forward line too easily.

We need a gorilla in the backline!
 
Barnzy said:
People said the same about Jack Riewoldt Col. How he was only a flanker and was too small. The one thing I look for in KPF's is their core/legs. McGuane has chicken legs as does Thursfield. Grimes is already pretty solid through the core for his age. Pretty sure he's also put on 6kg since being drafted. He's no Westhoff, he will fill out nicely. He just seems to hunch a bit so seems smaller than he is, same with Rance.

The answer depends on what the question is I reckon.

If the question is "is he big enough to have an AFL career?" then my answer would be "yes, absolutely, as a third back he's already bigger than Thirsty as his closing speed to get third man up is elite". His height doesn't worry me, 193cm with long arms is enopugh

If the question is "is he ever going to be big and strong enough to play on he Anthony, Tippet or even Minson types?" then I think that's a much longer stretch.

But we're not alone in this. Hardly anyone in the AFL has enough competent big defenders, they are either too small, too slow or can't kick
 
craig said:
Millers fend off when we had the run and resultant free and transfer goal was the moment i said to my mate theres the momentum killer right there, the dogs piled on 3 goals and that was that.

Said the same thing. We had all the run and a goal at that stage would have had us within a kick. Oh well.

As for KPDs needing to be gorillas to battle the big boys it is a wonder that the Bummers have had to put up with this 3rd tall in the role for the past 18 years!

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Grimes has shown exceptional speed, spoiling and ability to read the ball. I certainly wouldn't say he doesn't stand a solid chance of making it as a KPD.
He is playing a bit earlier than expected in light of our injuries and poor depth in defense, but he has acquitted himself very well IMO. We can look at this again in a couple of years time.
 
Panthera tigris FC said:
Said the same thing. We had all the run and a goal at that stage would have had us within a kick. Oh well.

As for KPDs needing to be gorillas to battle the big boys it is a wonder that the Bummers have had to put up with this 3rd tall in the role for the past 18 years!

Grimes has shown exceptional speed, spoiling and ability to read the ball. I certainly wouldn't say he doesn't stand a solid chance of making it as a KPD.
He is playing a bit earlier than expected in light of our injuries and poor depth in defense, but he has acquitted himself very well IMO. We can look at this again in a couple of years time.

Fletcher is 2 inches taller than Grimes, makes a huge difference.

Dale Morris has managed to play KD a fair bit and Grimes has him covered for height so I suppose it is not out of the question.

From a future perspective the KD roles are the least certain.