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Alex Rance

Tigerbob said:
We just simply need to know if he can improve at AFL level.

In the situation we are in, I have no issues with continually playing him and developing him to make that decision at the end of the season
Yeah me either. Just feel it would be more productive down back.

We've tried him forward. It's a been a failure (to my mind anyway). No harm done, but now is time to train him as a KPB. Preferably at the expense of *smile*. ;D
 
I spoke to one of the coaching staff about Alex quite recently. They do not believe he has the composure or aerial judgment at this stage of his career to play in the backline. But they do believe he has virtues and love his work ethic - the kid does everything right off the field and is desperate to succeed as an AFL player. So they are trying to mould him into a Max Rooke type forward where his job is contribute to the defensive intensity inside our forward line and and to do a defensive job on one of the opposition's more dangerous, attacking defenders.

So, in that context, he doesnt have to be kicking bags of goals to be doing his job.
 
evo said:
Yeah me either. Just feel it would be more productive down back.

We've tried him forward. It's a been a failure (to my mind anyway). No harm done, but now is time to train him as a KPB. Preferably at the expense of *smile*. ;D

I actually think he needs to learn a lot before we trust him down back. He can make a mistake up forward but still be an effective player of sorts at this point of time. His forward pressure is very good and the kid works his socks off.

If your looking for a McGuane replacement, go down to Coburg and tell Posty to pull a finger out!
 
Long Lost Hernaman said:
I spoke to one of the coaching staff about Alex quite recently. They do not believe he has the composure or aerial judgment at this stage of his career to play in the backline. But they do believe he has virtues and love his work ethic - the kid does everything right off the field and is desperate to succeed as an AFL player. So they are trying to mould him into a Max Rooke type forward where his job is contribute to the defensive intensity inside our forward line and and to do a defensive job on one of the opposition's more dangerous, attacking defenders.

So, in that context, he doesnt have to be kicking bags of goals to be doing his job.
Love this idea ...... have a lot of time for Max and the way he goes about things. I Alex can develop into this type of player then we'll have a beauty
 
Tigerbob said:
I actually think he needs to learn a lot before we trust him down back. He can make a mistake up forward but still be an effective player of sorts at this point of time. His forward pressure is very good and the kid works his socks off.

If your looking for a McGuane replacement, go down to Coburg and tell Posty to pull a finger out!
Yeh the PoMo is a little disapointing at the minute. Must admit i gave him a verbal gee-up from a boundary in the Melbourne game (which is most unlike me) ;D He is a CHf i reckon, anyway.

I'd say Rance could match it with Gumby this week, surely.He is not that good (at this stage anyway). Leave *smile* out and play Polak.
 
evo said:
Yeh the PoMo is a little disapointing at the minute. Must admit i gave him a verbal gee-up from a boundary in the Melbourne game (which is most unlike me) ;D He is a CHf i reckon, anyway.

I'd say Rance could match it with Gumby this week, surely.He is not that good (at this stage anyway). Leave *smile* out and play Polak.

Gumby would have a field day the way he is gaining confidence. The thing I have noticed with Gumbleton is he is a very smart footballer and runs far and to the right spots. He is also a massive fella, saw him at the practice match against us and he is huge. Rance would have little hope.

I see Post as a defender, it's where he played his junior football, he is just lacking confidence at the moment, maybe he is trying to develop his game to fit in the gameplan and is struggling with that, who knows but to me he is our long term hope for CHB. I have been shattered watching him at Coburg I must admit.

McGuane will be playing until someone shows enough quality to replace him, my feeling is get used to McGuane in Richmond colours for the rest of this year.
 
evo said:
Yeah me either. Just feel it would be more productive down back.

We've tried him forward. It's a been a failure (to my mind anyway). No harm done, but now is time to train him as a KPB. Preferably at the expense of *smile*. ;D

We haven't had a lot of well-rounded footballers over the last few years, and I think a big part of the reason for this is that we have tended to pigeon-hole our players into a particular position far too soon in their development. As examples, Richo could well have done with a year or so in defence early in his career, Newman has spent far too much time in the back half when he needed to develop his game as a run-with midfielder, Schulz was always full forward until Wallace moved him into defence as a last resort but I can't ever remember him playing across half-forward.

I'm happy to see Rance play as a forward for a period of time. He will end up in the backline, that is quite obvious, but it won't hurt for him to play at the other end for a while. I also want to see both Astbury and Post have extended stints at both ends of the ground, for the same reasons.
 
I'll prefix this by saying I'm not a Rance fan and don't think he'll make it but........

Is it just me or is Hardwick using Rance as a "Defender" in the forward line.

I thought he had Luke Hodge last weekend and, apart from his moment of madness with regards to the free kick reversal, did a pretty good job at nullifying him.

Hodge went into the midfield halfway thru the third quarter and had an influence but he wasn't Rance's responsibility by then.

Don't compare him to Riewoldt or Morton because I don't think his role is a go to Forward. I'm sure he's supposed to attempt to be an option when we have the ball but think his main role is to take out one of the creative half backs that set up play. Be interested to see who he lines up on this week.
 
Comparisons to O'Haipin at a simliar age make for interesting reading. The only thing I disagree with is I think Setanta was a better kick at the same stage
 
Long Lost Hernaman said:
I spoke to one of the coaching staff about Alex quite recently. They do not believe he has the composure or aerial judgment at this stage of his career to play in the backline. But they do believe he has virtues and love his work ethic - the kid does everything right off the field and is desperate to succeed as an AFL player. So they are trying to mould him into a Max Rooke type forward where his job is contribute to the defensive intensity inside our forward line and and to do a defensive job on one of the opposition's more dangerous, attacking defenders.

So, in that context, he doesnt have to be kicking bags of goals to be doing his job.

Yes it is clear this is what they are trying to do with him......but talk about desperately tring to find a role for someone. Wouldn't happen if he was a rookie pick instead of pick 18. Let me see...lacks composure, lacks aerial judgment, can't kick, poor decision maker, can't mark, can't spoil - let's make him tagger of opposition defenders. Sheesh.

Max Rooke is actually a proper footballer with skill and smarts and a powerful Geelong can afford to have him play this accountable role.
 
Daigoro said:
Yes it is clear this is what they are trying to do with him......but talk about desperately tring to find a role for someone. Wouldn't happen if he was a rookie pick instead of pick 18. Let me see...lacks composure, lacks aerial judgment, can't kick, poor decision maker, can't mark, can't spoil - let's make him tagger of opposition defenders. Sheesh.

Max Rooke is actually a proper footballer with skill and smarts and a powerful Geelong can afford to have him play this accountable role.
Max has also had an extra 5+ yeaers in the system and has learnt how to do all the other things at the top level.
If I remember right Rooke was never an instant walk up start for the pussies in regards to the his skills either but he, like Alex, had a take no prisoners, kamikase attitude and that put him in good stead for his career.
Most of the liabilities you mention are things that will improve as Alex gains experience....... FFS let the Kid grow into being a player before crucifying him.
 
BIGNIGE said:
Max has also had an extra 5+ yeaers in the system and has learnt how to do all the other things at the top level.
If I remember right Rooke was never an instant walk up start for the pussies in regards to the his skills either but he, like Alex, had a take no prisoners, kamikase attitude and that put him in good stead for his career.
Most of the liabilities you mention are things that will improve as Alex gains experience....... FFS let the Kid grow into being a player before crucifying him.

the question is though Nige - why did we draft a kid who cant mark, kick, play one on one footy, defend or make good decisions at 18?
 
lamb22 said:
the question is though Nige - why did we draft a kid who cant mark, kick, play one on one footy, defend or make good decisions at 18?

Because he was a dead cert Top 10 pick who magically slipped down to us.