SCOOP said:
Very true call scoop. McGuane plusses are his 3rd up spoils & courage.
He has nowhere near the allround game of Moore.
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Alex Rance
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Very true call scoop. McGuane plusses are his 3rd up spoils & courage.
He has nowhere near the allround game of Moore.
Haven't been a fan of McGuane since he got towelled up by LeCras in Round 22, 2006. He was led a merry dance that day and I've seen nothing since that's convinced me he could be part of a Premiership team.
Too few dimensions to his game and with Rance seemingly coming through the ranks next year, four talls in the backline seems like one too many.
This is all predicated on us having no injuries, so I'd still have room for him on our list - at this stage.
Too few dimensions to his game and with Rance seemingly coming through the ranks next year, four talls in the backline seems like one too many.
This is all predicated on us having no injuries, so I'd still have room for him on our list - at this stage.
Obviously a few flaws have been exposed since joining us, but would love to see Alex make it (for structural reasons). BTW, amusing to now read the first half dozens pages on this thread, hindsight is a wonderful thing. I was excited when we drafted him (based on the draft reviews).
If this is really a development year for RFC, then Alex should be given the opportunity to settle into a key defense role for a couple of months to see if he can establish himself (defensive skills, composure). Has the size now, up to him to put it together.
With a defensive line up of rakes (McGuane, Moore, Thirsty), very important that someone of Rance's size comes through. Given his size and aggressiveness, he could become be a very imposing full back. Certainly there have been worse skilled/meeker premiership full backs. I think full back is his only position as further up the ground he gets exposed. 180 vision is only required at full back.
Assuming we finish again bottom 4, and development of the team and individual improvement is the objective, then by the end of the year either Alex or one of recent tall picks (Post, Astbury, Grimes, etc.) must have played 22 games at FB or CHB in order for "team development" to have been achieved (along with mids, an A to B-grade ruck and a key position forward emerging).
Go Alex!
If this is really a development year for RFC, then Alex should be given the opportunity to settle into a key defense role for a couple of months to see if he can establish himself (defensive skills, composure). Has the size now, up to him to put it together.
With a defensive line up of rakes (McGuane, Moore, Thirsty), very important that someone of Rance's size comes through. Given his size and aggressiveness, he could become be a very imposing full back. Certainly there have been worse skilled/meeker premiership full backs. I think full back is his only position as further up the ground he gets exposed. 180 vision is only required at full back.
Assuming we finish again bottom 4, and development of the team and individual improvement is the objective, then by the end of the year either Alex or one of recent tall picks (Post, Astbury, Grimes, etc.) must have played 22 games at FB or CHB in order for "team development" to have been achieved (along with mids, an A to B-grade ruck and a key position forward emerging).
Go Alex!
Highly doubt ne of these players will play 22 games. Post IMO is a kf. Grimes n astbury have 2 yrs of dev at least before regular senior consideration. Would b thrilled 2 b provn rong. Agree if rance can hold down fb then it will b a gr8 platform 4 the mids 2 4ward 50
Agree right back at ya.toothless said:
All the more reason to throw the kitchen sink at Alex this year (by developing him at FB).
Rance's 2009 season reminded me of Riewoldt in 2008. Both showed plenty of ticker and footy nous but had basic flaws in their game that put doubt into your mind as to whether they might make it. Jack made a quantum leap in 2009 and while he still has plenty to work on(e.g. physique, kicking accuracy) there is little doubt he is now about our best KP forward prospect. Others, like Schulz and Hughes, had their chances but fell by the wayside and are no longer with us. I'm hopeful and confident Rance will make the same quantum improvement in 2010.
On McGuane I was sold on him the day he picked up Franklin and buried him in Rd 20 2008 when we gave Hawthorn a right royal pizzling. Buddy limped off the field with his tail between his legs and a badly bruised ego. I think Luke unfairly copped a lot of blame in 2009 when we were so undermanned down back on many occasions. He played all 22 rounds(only he, Deledio and Jackson did this ) while Polak, Johnson, Bowden, Thursfield, Raines, Rance, Schulz, King, Pattison and McMahon all missed heaps. I expect him to perform much better in 2010 given a reasonable injury run with our key defenders.
On McGuane I was sold on him the day he picked up Franklin and buried him in Rd 20 2008 when we gave Hawthorn a right royal pizzling. Buddy limped off the field with his tail between his legs and a badly bruised ego. I think Luke unfairly copped a lot of blame in 2009 when we were so undermanned down back on many occasions. He played all 22 rounds(only he, Deledio and Jackson did this ) while Polak, Johnson, Bowden, Thursfield, Raines, Rance, Schulz, King, Pattison and McMahon all missed heaps. I expect him to perform much better in 2010 given a reasonable injury run with our key defenders.
toothless said:
You'll no doubt be pleased to hear of the imminent demise of the English language.
http://www.theage.com.au/technology/technology-news/internet-spells-death-of-english-20100104-lq7s.html
Personally, I'm dismayed.
I thought the same thing about Riewoldt 12 months agolamb22 said:
Under pressure, inexperience and lacking stamina and fitness expose and magnify their weaknesses. It makes them look uncoordinated at times.
Two seasons back Jack never got to many contests or often overran his opponent in trying to defend. Last season Rance got to some contests but could have positioned himself better. That bad headclash was a good example. Full marks for courage, low marks for not using his body better to protect himself. I think he learned a lot from the incident and is as keen as ever to contest. That's my reading of it and I hope he proves me right this season.
"180 vision is only required at full back."
No offense, but I'd really disagree with this. A 360-degree-vision fullback is required in modern football. The pressure is highest the closest to the opposition's goal one gets.
No offense, but I'd really disagree with this. A 360-degree-vision fullback is required in modern football. The pressure is highest the closest to the opposition's goal one gets.
Hayfever said:I thought the same thing about Riewoldt 12 months ago
Under pressure, inexperience and lacking stamina and fitness expose and magnify their weaknesses. It makes them look uncoordinated at times.
Two seasons back Jack never got to many contests or often overran his opponent in trying to defend. Last season Rance got to some contests but could have positioned himself better. That bad headclash was a good example. Full marks for courage, low marks for not using his body better to protect himself. I think he learned a lot from the incident and is as keen as ever to contest. That's my reading of it and I hope he proves me right this season.
Sorry cant agree Hayfever. I saw Jack in his first game at Coburg and he was fairly quiet. Saw him in his second and was blown away with his smarts and bags of tricks. He was AFL ready by round 3 of his first year (even though he wasn't played till later)
I've seen Rance about 30 times and while he does good things he lacks subtlety, finesse and thought in his game. His nick name is "onepace" and it shows. He throws himself at full pace at every contest and while he gets some right, often he just runs past the contest or loses his man.
If he can calibrate his attack on the ball and man he has the physical tools to succeed. He just hasn't demonstrated he knows how to play footy at this stage though!
Agree, lamb22.
While I hope for the best, Alex looks a lot like Jackson and White - ie an athlete desperately learning how to play footy. While he will get better (as Jackson has) I reckon it will be Jack who will be our shining light at 25, while Alex will be (hopefully) an honest journeyman.
While I hope for the best, Alex looks a lot like Jackson and White - ie an athlete desperately learning how to play footy. While he will get better (as Jackson has) I reckon it will be Jack who will be our shining light at 25, while Alex will be (hopefully) an honest journeyman.
Hayfever said:I thought the same thing about Riewoldt 12 months ago
Under pressure, inexperience and lacking stamina and fitness expose and magnify their weaknesses. It makes them look uncoordinated at times.
Two seasons back Jack never got to many contests or often overran his opponent in trying to defend. Last season Rance got to some contests but could have positioned himself better. That bad headclash was a good example. Full marks for courage, low marks for not using his body better to protect himself. I think he learned a lot from the incident and is as keen as ever to contest. That's my reading of it and I hope he proves me right this season.
I think the big difference this year will be we have Leppitch & Hardwick on board who are both All Australian backman who will hopefully have the backline working well & Rance will learn alot about positioning!!
Inspector said:
Agreed. I think a lot of us may be surprised about the improvement that will be shown by some players. You can't underestimate the value of having a group of good coaches that actually coach. A new game plan will allow some players to thrive, while some may fall away!
Inspector said:
I reckon we might see the same with Matt White myself. One thing is for sure, our fringe backline players will not have many excuses if things don't improve.
Your eyesight was clearly distorted by the rose coloured glasses you must have been wearing Lamby 8)lamb22 said:
JR played 8 games in his first season with us for obvious reasons...... his conditioning was poor and his second efforts were non-existent. I thought he made a massive improvement last season but just realised it was his third with us, not his second. He was/is still very young and is in fact only one year older than Rance. I expect big things from him in 2010 so I'm not knocking him on where he is at or what I believe his potential to be.
Rance has only been with us for one season and played 15 games..... so how come you have seen him play 30 times? His stats for his first year were better than JR's and are on a par with what JR averaged in his first two seasons.
I agree with the other posters re the likely influence of Leppitsch and Hardwick on Rance. Also bear in mind that Rance played the 3rd most games by our taller defenders last year behind McGuane and Moore so it is not hard to understand why he appeared out of his depth at times.
What Rance has shown thus far is pretty much what he was like in juniors, brave, courageous, hard rebounder who some disposal/decision issues.Tigerflag2008 said:
Btw the Hawks rated him the best KP defender in the draft, if the Pecilcan liked him he must be good.
Hayfever said:
Jack was on fire first half of 2007 at Coburg and should have played seniors earlier and used better and sparingly as a third/fouth option.
Alex has played two seasons - obviously his first was not very memorable to you HF ;D. I have seen him at Coburg around 15 times and in Richmond colours the rest.
I think you have the rose colored glasses on with Alex. I'd suggest the Kool aid is more approriate if you are holding out much hope!
