Alex Rance

[davidrodan]

How does this look?

FB Tambling McGuane Thursfield
HB Rance Moore Newman

looks good but unfortunately McMahon will no doubt be in there somewhere
maybe replace Newman (play wing/mid) with McMahon

also I would maybe swap Bling and Rance
Bling too close to goal will panic a bit (although if he plays on the small they will, no doubt, be close to goal) ???

Ok how bout just swaping Newman and Bling (McMahon can warm the bench)
Newman is a lot cooler under pressure although can be a bit loose

Dang, i am thinking way too much

 

[BrisTiger24]

How does this look?

FB Tambling McGuane Thursfield
HB Rance Moore Newman

All good other than the left back pocket :-\ Tambling isn't the answer either IMO. Not a bad part-timer at this role but wouldn't want to turn him into a permanent BP. Maybe we should just select Andrew Hooper in the draft for this role. he's physically equipped enough to play straight away. Seems to have a good defensive v offensive balance. Neat but less than great disposal. Probably get him with the last pick in the ND.

 

[davidrodan]

Given that JON (whether under pressure or not) can't hit the side of a barn I don't want him anywhere near the backline as his skill errors will result in opposition shots at goal!

In fact his best position is in the top deck of the grandstand! Pretty sure he can't hurt us there!
;D

Seriously I think if he wasn't under contract he would have been long gone! And I've seen him play for Coburg. He makes the same mistakes, whereas someone like Chippendale goes back and looks a cut above them.
JON unfortunately does not look like that at the Burgers.

Another draft selection we got wrong!

he's prolly on the list for at least another year so we may as well try and play him in a few positions (at coburg)

what about trying him as a defensive forward, tell him whenever the ball comes into the forward line it is his job to pressure/chase the rebounding player

to put this into JON's understanding
'see that curvy white line' (point to the forward 50 arch)
'if a player with (insert opposition colour here) has the ball (might need to explain what it looks like) inside that white line, then run and get him (show a tackle)
if he takes the ball (explain again) passed that white circle (point to the centre circle) go back inside the white line (point to the forward 50 again)

then end with 'water sucks, gatorade is better' ;D

 

[Tigers of Old]

All good other than the left back pocket :-\ Tambling isn't the answer either IMO. Not a bad part-timer at this role but wouldn't want to turn him into a permanent BP.

also I would maybe swap Bling and Rance
Bling too close to goal will panic a bit (although if he plays on the small they will, no doubt, be close to goal) ???

I dunno about Bling panicking, I haven't really seen that side of his game but I do think playing as that small bp might keep him focussed.
He can swap on the ball with White so he won't be there permanently.

Newman isn't the answer on the small forward that's carved us a new one endlessly. We need someone with more pace.
Jake King is a bit small for the role. I see White/Tambling in that possie because they've got more size/strength.

 

[theglove3]

he's prolly on the list for at least another year so we may as well try and play him in a few positions (at coburg)

what about trying him as a defensive forward, tell him whenever the ball comes into the forward line it is his job to pressure/chase the rebounding player

to put this into JON's understanding
'see that curvy white line' (point to the forward 50 arch)
'if a player with (insert opposition colour here) has the ball (might need to explain what it looks like) inside that white line, then run and get him (show a tackle)
if he takes the ball (explain again) passed that white circle (point to the centre circle) go back inside the white line (point to the forward 50 again)

then end with 'water sucks, gatorade is better' ;D

Like it D-rod!

You've coached before haven't you?
:hihi

 

[TOT70]

By that I see it's not actually McGuane that Rance is challenging for a place but Schulz at HB.
Personally I think Jay should be lining up at CHF anyway so that solves that issue.

McGuane cemented his place in the last few weeks of the season, well and truly. He showed that he will be a competitive shutdown option who can play on just about anyone. As you say, Schulz is the one who will be squeezed out of the backline.

Have any of his coaches ever tried him at CHF? He seems to play either Full forward or "get-the-hell-out-of-the-forward-line." You can't have a CHF who is not prepared to work the area from deep inside 50 to the wings and, unfortunately, Jay has shown very little inclination to do this. If Ryan O'Keeffe had a bizarro-clone, it would be Jay Schulz.

Rance is a ways off becoming that player. He's far more natural playing off the half back line to leysy's eye.
He may become more composed & accustomed to playing closer to goal as his career moves on.

Probably right. It would have been nice to blood him during 08 for a few games. Down the track, he will play as a key back.

On Moore & McGuane's pace being more useful on mediums to smalls ToO. Leysy would argue that there pace & leap is actually better off on the bigger slower types. Moore showed this year when he played on near all the big key forward types & was very rarely beaten.

With modern rules as they are, it's far easier to sit just off opponents & use your athleticism to bring the ball to ground rather than try to grapple & be exposed for pace against the nippy forwards that most teams possess.

Moore and Thursfield. Neither is exposed for pace against anyone, except maybe Deledio and he plays for us. I see them as the perfect opponents for the small-to-medium types who play taller than they are, like Medhurst, Corey Jones, Didak, Rioli, Mark Williams, Stevie J, Stokes, etc etc.

Its the Leon Davis-Eddie Betts- Davey Bros-Annoying Little Rodent Milne types that are more difficult for us that you are alluding to.

I would play Tambling on them. They won't intimidate him physically like some of those musclebound midfielders do. Another option is Edwards. He had a very good quarter late in the season playing off half-back against someone I forget and is looking for a position. It could be the perfect match.

 

[Tigers of Old]

As you say, Schulz is the one who will be squeezed out of the backline.

Have any of his coaches ever tried him at CHF? He seems to play either Full forward or "get-the-hell-out-of-the-forward-line." You can't have a CHF who is not prepared to work the area from deep inside 50 to the wings and, unfortunately, Jay has shown very little inclination to do this. If Ryan O'Keeffe had a bizarro-clone, it would be Jay Schulz.

The key for Jay to play CHF will be fitness. If he is fit I think he is capable.
Riewoldt on a flank next to him can play the OKeefe role roaming up to the wing.

 

[TOT70]

The key for Jay to play CHF will be fitness. If he is fit I think he is capable.
Riewoldt on a flank next to him can play the OKeefe role roaming up to the wing.

Not a lot of evidence to suggest that he could handle this position. Move him back to FF and give him one more shot at that while we wait of someone else to emerge. I suspect that he will be eventually squeezed back down to Coburg, unless, of course, he learns how to get on his bike and run around a lot.

 

[Dyer Disciple]

Its the Leon Davis-Eddie Betts- Davey Bros-Annoying Little Rodent Milne types that are more difficult for us that you are alluding to.

:hihi :hihi

I think all of us, as Richmond Supporters, hate these type of players the most and relate to your feeling on them.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Not a lot of evidence to suggest that he could handle this position. Move him back to FF and give him one more shot at that while we wait of someone else to emerge. I suspect that he will be eventually squeezed back down to Coburg, unless, of course, he learns how to get on his bike and run around a lot.

Fain enough.
Wherever he plays Jay's going to have to do plenty of that.
I hope Terry points to the game against the eventual premiers in round 20 for Jay.
If he could produce that type of performance consistently then will be a place for him in the 22, if not then you'll be right about Coburg and the likes of Rance will be provided the opportunities.
Jay should right now be in the prime of his career. If he has he got anything left in the tank of improvement we'll find out this season.

 

[Scoop]

Rance is a ways off becoming that player. He's far more natural playing off the half back line to leysy's eye.
He may become more composed & accustomed to playing closer to goal as his career moves on.

On Moore & McGuane's pace being more useful on mediums to smalls ToO. Leysy would argue that there pace & leap is actually better off on the bigger slower types. Moore showed this year when he played on near all the big key forward types & was very rarely beaten.

With modern rules as they are, it's far easier to sit just off opponents & use your athleticism to bring the ball to ground rather than try to grapple & be exposed for pace against the nippy forwards that most teams possess.

Yep. Spot on. Rance will be a Sam Fisher, Matty Scarlett type. For me Rance won't be ready for KP roles until mid 2010.

 

[Leysy Days]

Probably right. It would have been nice to blood him during 08 for a few games. Down the track, he will play as a key back.

Moore and Thursfield. Neither is exposed for pace against anyone, except maybe Deledio and he plays for us. I see them as the perfect opponents for the small-to-medium types who play taller than they are, like Medhurst, Corey Jones, Didak, Rioli, Mark Williams, Stevie J, Stokes, etc etc.

Its the Leon Davis-Eddie Betts- Davey Bros-Annoying Little Rodent Milne types that are more difficult for us that you are alluding to.

Sorry Hot Totty, Leysy didn't word his post too well. He actually meant the mid sized guys you were alluding to.

Sure Moore, Thursfield & McGuane can handle them & as you say a lot of times thursfield did play on those types this season.

We've got a guy in Moore who's shown he can beat the primo key forwards in the comp. His agility, leap, pace enabled him to compete in the air & importantly his ability to keep his feet saw him then run off his larger opponents.

He'd definately still do well on the mid-sized types - note: when he went onto Ebert after he carved McGuane up. But leysy wouldn't be handing those advantages he's got over the bigger forward up.

 

[TOT70]

Sorry Hot Totty, Leysy didn't word his post too well. He actually meant the mid sized guys you were alluding to.

Sure Moore, Thursfield & McGuane can handle them & as you say a lot of times thursfield did play on those types this season.

We've got a guy in Moore who's shown he can beat the primo key forwards in the comp. His agility, leap, pace enabled him to compete in the air & importantly his ability to keep his feet saw him then run off his larger opponents.

He'd definately still do well on the mid-sized types - note: when he went onto Ebert after he carved McGuane up. But leysy wouldn't be handing those advantages he's got over the bigger forward up.

Yeah, I agree with you on this point. Moore has become a gun and has earnt the right to be our number 1 defender through some outstanding performances.

What I'm trying to say is that at present we have Moore-McGuane-Thursfield as our 1-2-3 defenders and then it is daylight to the rest. The icing on the cake will be if, in time, Rance (or someone else) can push past them all and become the first choice defender. Then the backline will be formidable.

Just like Moore and McGuane have pushed past Bowden and Polak.

 

[Leysy Days]

Yep, too true there TOT. Though he definately brings some attributes to the table leysy's not as sold on McGuane as some.

Anyway, whatever the case with our individual likes & types we've certainly got some very nice modern athletic defenders coming along. Wallace & the coaching staff have also developed them well ILO.

We've got plenty of other bases to look at this upcoming draft but as leysy has said for a long long time key backs are certainly not one of them.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Yep. Spot on. Rance will be a Sam Fisher, Matty Scarlett type. For me Rance won't be ready for KP roles until mid 2010.

If Rance's going to play that role Scoop it's going to come down to how good he is by foot and a few are questioning that.
That's why I posed the question initially.
One thing we do know about Schulz, who's currently in that tall defensive sweeper position, is that he's an excellent field kick.
McGuane isn't but as others have noted he's been largely playing as a stopper.
We all hope Rance becomes a gun KPP who can play both roles eventually but if he is going to force his way into that link role of HB intially, then he's going to have to have good disposal but we'll only really find out how good his kicking is when we've actually seen him at senior level.

 

[GoodOne]

Moore and Thursfield. Neither is exposed for pace against anyone, except maybe Deledio and he plays for us. I see them as the perfect opponents for the small-to-medium types who play taller than they are, like Medhurst, Corey Jones, Didak, Rioli, Mark Williams, Stevie J, Stokes, etc etc.

Many of these players killed us this year with Moore and Thursfield in the side. Thursfield is a key position player for sure, his skill is his ability to stop opponents. Moore would be interesting onthese types of players but that would only be possible if Rance or Schulz perform opening the way to give Moore a looser reign. Saying that Moore was magnificent against the key forwards this year.

 

[TOT70]

Many of these players killed us this year with Moore and Thursfield in the side. Thursfield is a key position player for sure, his skill is his ability to stop opponents. Moore would be interesting onthese types of players but that would only be possible if Rance or Schulz perform opening the way to give Moore a looser reign. Saying that Moore was magnificent against the key forwards this year.

That was early in the year.

Medhurst pantsed Bowden, Jones and Grant gave it to Jake King, as did Milne.

McGuane and Schulz added a new dimension to the defence late in the year. It was a shame we didn't play these sides again in the last few games because it would have been interesting to see if they could do it again. I have my doubts.

 

[GoodOne]

That was early in the year.

Medhurst pantsed Bowden, Jones and Grant gave it to Jake King, as did Milne.

McGuane and Schulz added a new dimension to the defence late in the year. It was a shame we didn't play these sides again in the last few games because it would have been interesting to see if they could do it again. I have my doubts.

McGuane definitely improved agree there. Afraid I can't be as enthused about Schulz there in the backline. Just far too lazy at times (or is that fitness). Schulz could be so much more, he just refuses to do the hard work I guess. Will he snap out of it, lets hope so.

 

[Freezer]

Schulz could be so much more, he just refuses to do the hard work I guess. Will he snap out of it, lets hope so.

I could mention McMahon here but I'll restrain myself.

 

[Scoop]

That was early in the year.

Medhurst pantsed Bowden, Jones and Grant gave it to Jake King, as did Milne.

That was poor matchups by TW. I still think that Moore is able to play on Bowden, Jones or Grant depending on the week. I don't think McGuane has the nous to play on any of those types. Thursfield can play tall or short. McGuane can only play tall, he still have massive issues when the ball is below his knees.