Adem Yze

[TigerMasochist]

And what does our history have to do with him?

Absolutely nothing which is exactly what it'll mean to the 30 odd newbies on the list that had absolutely nothing to do with our flag era. History is the past, it's done n dusted and can simply only be remembered for what it was. The present and the future are what other possibilities can be lived and created. Ouzo simply asked the blokes who created that history if they were o.k. with putting the history to the side and focusing on the now and the future.

 

[Tiggy Train]

Absolutely nothing which is exactly what it'll mean to the 30 odd newbies on the list that had absolutely nothing to do with our flag era. History is the past, it's done n dusted and can simply only be remembered for what it was. The present and the future are what other possibilities can be lived and created. Ouzo simply asked the blokes who created that history if they were o.k. with putting the history to the side and focusing on the now and the future.

Yze wouldn’t know what a premiership cup looks like, but he’s an expert with Wooden Spoons. I’m sick of these modern day revisionists who try and throw away history thinking they can rewrite their own and fail.
Our 1902 flag is just as important to our2020 flag to me. Yze can *smile* off if he doesn’t appreciate success.

 

[Berwick boy]

A storm in a teacup?? Seriously it was a magnificent achievement because the club and fans had suffered nothing, but failure and heartache for 37 *smile* years. To be even discussed removing them was a disgrace let alone removing them. It was one of the most heartwarming, sense of relief, greatest moments and biggest triumph in the club's history and some douche walks in and removes them doesn't sit well with me.

We never would have guessed TP…seen more thumbs down in this topic than gladiator

 

[tired'lilah]

Our 1902 flag is just as important to our2020 flag to me. Yze can *smile* off if he doesn’t appreciate success.

Well I think they took the 1902 flag out of the club room and into the premiership room a while ago...

 

[tiger76]

Yze wouldn’t know what a premiership cup looks like, but he’s an expert with Wooden Spoons. I’m sick of these modern day revisionists who try and throw away history thinking they can rewrite their own and fail.
Our 1902 flag is just as important to our2020 flag to me. Yze can *smile* off if he doesn’t appreciate success.

I don’t understand how you have interpreted what happened the way that you have.

The dynasty memorabilia (which comprised of 3 photos) was relocated from the main player meeting room to create a clean slate for discussing the present and the future. (Game plans, tactics etc.)

(Not to revise or diminish history, as you have put it)

They were moved to the premiership walk in the building that displays all of the clubs premierships, (which the players walk past)

In addition to this they also have photos in the development and academy rooms.

Club leaders were consulted before hand and have been quoted as saying “They thought they had been up a couple of years too long anyway”

And as for your wooden spoon jab, the club finished a scintillating 13th last year and this year fielded an even less experienced team (sans Cotchin & Riewoldt) that was also decimated with injuries and sticky taped together with mostly inexperienced and unproven kids that weren’t exactly blue chip pics.

So given the current list balance and players available throughout the season where were you thinking the team should have finished on the ladder?

When the Pies haven’t even made the eight after winning the GF last year, with only a couple of injuries to a few key personnel throughout the year.

And we had Dimma flinging himself from a car that was still moving he was so desperate to get away from the mess the list is in, yet Ooze is a wooden spoon winning hack for not magically having an even weaker list perform well?

This year?

Even if you subscribed to the many-worlds theory there is no universe in which the current Richmond list is doing well.

 

[Tiggy Train]

I don’t understand how you have interpreted what happened the way that you have.

The dynasty memorabilia (which comprised of 3 photos) was relocated from the main player meeting room to create a clean slate for discussing the present and the future. (Game plans, tactics etc.)

(Not to revise or diminish history, as you have put it)

They were moved to the premiership walk in the building that displays all of the clubs premierships, (which the players walk past)

In addition to this they also have photos in the development and academy rooms.

Club leaders were consulted before hand and have been quoted as saying “They thought they had been up a couple of years too long anyway”

And as for your wooden spoon jab, the club finished a scintillating 13th last year and this year fielded an even less experienced team (sans Cotchin & Riewoldt) that was also decimated with injuries and sticky taped together with mostly inexperienced and unproven kids that weren’t exactly blue chip pics.

So given the current list balance and players available throughout the season where were you thinking the team should have finished on the ladder?

When the Pies haven’t even made the eight after winning the GF last year, with only a couple of injuries to a few key personnel throughout the year.

And we had Dimma flinging himself from a car that was still moving he was so desperate to get away from the mess the list is in, yet Ooze is a wooden spoon winning hack for not magically having an even weaker list perform well?

This year?

Even if you subscribed to the many-worlds theory there is no universe in which the current Richmond list is doing well.

Yze was telling us we were top four material when he got the job. .

 

[scooty1986]

Yze was telling us we were top four material when he got the job. .

No he didn't he said they weren't putting a ceiling on where they could go which is what all coaches do

Just like next year you'd aim high without ambition you don't survive

 

[Tiggy Train]

No he didn't he said they weren't putting a ceiling on where they could go which is what all coaches do

Just like next year you'd aim high without ambition you don't survive

Rubbish. A ceiling on finishing fourth. He even expected higher by his words. He totally over estimated our list whereas Newman was well aware we needed a rebuild and wasn’t selected as the coach.

New Tigers coach sets sights on top-four finish

Richmond's new coach Adem Yze is already daring to dream of steering the Tigers straight back into the AFL top four, with Dustin Martin front and centre of his new era.

www.espn.com.au

 

[Tiggy Train]

https://www.theroar.com.au/2024/08/14/with-richmond-facing-some-dark-years-ahead-will-adem-yze-prioritise-the-club-over-his-future/

 

[Tigerdangerous]

So what! Did you predict 18 major injuries including several season ending ACL injuries that derailed the season for the RFC?

Have you ever tried playing basketball with one hand tied behind your back?

2024 is done and dusted. I’m looking forward to the off season, the trade period and the pre-season.

 

[RoarEmotion]

Riewoldt wrote in his book he thought the picture should be taken down. It’s there in black and white.

So rip Riewoldt a new one if you want it have a go at yze.

Laughable thinking IMO clutching for a story to explain why things went pear shaped.

(Yze probably doesn’t know jack has written a book though).

 

[Carter]

Brendan Gale gave us the biggest hint when talking about what the club is now looking for in a coach.

Gifted, yes, skilled, of course. But an oracle of footy knowledge? Not immediately.

We want the head coach to grow with the players, like Hardwick did. Build relationships.

Discover together. This is the new meta, the secret sauce. Old Pagan? Stubborn Malthouse? Loopy Lyon? No.

Younger coaches who don’t know it all, who make mistakes and learn with the players. THIS forges the strongest bonds of all. There is no doubt in my mind. Gale is right.

You cannot do that with an older, decorated list. They’ve been there already. They’re Hardwick’s men.

Well-intentioned, absolutely. Look at Rioli this year.

But football is about waves these days. Waves of emotion, waves of cohesion, finding that lightning in the bottle and taking it all the way.

You need a common purpose for that. A shared, unbreakable resolve that is undeniable.

In practical terms, you need a core of players coming through with the coach, experiencing the journey with the coach.

We all know where the list is. A last vestige of a golden era, a ballroom of half-filled champagne glasses.

The cult of premiership still pervaded the club, even as Yze stepped through the door. In terms of progression, he is year zero. Still sweeping confetti into the corner.

The club knows what success looks like. How can they not? But there is a certain care, a certain duty to heroes that remain.

Several have retired. Gracefully, on their own terms. Culture upheld like a proud flag over the gates.

The rest of our heroes have been told the club is now cultivating new ground. The hardest conversations have been had and these heroes will continue elsewhere.

There are many in here who question the culture. I understand the point of view but the timelines tell us otherwise. Bolton was perfectly happy until he was not. Rioli also. The club has laid down a vision, a pathway. Coach and players on the same journey. We need draft currency to access the fast lane.

The club is firmly in control. I repeat, the club is in control. Hartley has successfully sold the vision, this is clear. Gale knows what is required more than anyone - he knows what is looming from Tassie.

Punt Road is letting go of the past.

It’s about discovery now. My advice is to relax and enjoy the coming years because I reckon the club has its eyes on the road and hands on the wheel for the first time in years.

 

[TigerMasochist]

Yze wouldn’t know what a premiership cup looks like, but he’s an expert with Wooden Spoons. I’m sick of these modern day revisionists who try and throw away history thinking they can rewrite their own and fail.
Our 1902 flag is just as important to our2020 flag to me. Yze can *smile* off if he doesn’t appreciate success.

FMD.
It's the fans and past players job to get all misty eyed over our 1902 flag, that's history and the appreciation of that history. It's the job of the current coach and players to try and win our next fancy shiny new flag and create the next new bit of history for us to enjoy. Not sit back in the bar sucking a tinny n getting all misty eyed over 1902.
17 - 19 - 20 are simply history. They are there for the fans and past players to reminisce over, they are done and dusted n can't be altered. Any current player who was involved in those flags needs to move forward with the young crew of players and coach who had nothing to do with those flags or they'll either get left behind or out the door. For all those on the ground involved in the job it's present and future that matters, past is for beer o'clock time.

 

[Sintiger]

Brendan Gale gave us the biggest hint when talking about what the club is now looking for in a coach.

Gifted, yes, skilled, of course. But an oracle of footy knowledge? Not immediately.

We want the head coach to grow with the players, like Hardwick did. Build relationships.

Discover together. This is the new meta, the secret sauce. Old Pagan? Stubborn Malthouse? Loopy Lyon? No.

Younger coaches who don’t know it all, who make mistakes and learn with the players. THIS forges the strongest bonds of all. There is no doubt in my mind. Gale is right.

You cannot do that with an older, decorated list. They’ve been there already. They’re Hardwick’s men.

Well-intentioned, absolutely. Look at Rioli this year.

But football is about waves these days. Waves of emotion, waves of cohesion, finding that lightning in the bottle and taking it all the way.

You need a common purpose for that. A shared, unbreakable resolve that is undeniable.

In practical terms, you need a core of players coming through with the coach, experiencing the journey with the coach.

We all know where the list is. A last vestige of a golden era, a ballroom of half-filled champagne glasses.

The cult of premiership still pervaded the club, even as Yze stepped through the door. In terms of progression, he is year zero. Still sweeping confetti into the corner.

The club knows what success looks like. How can they not? But there is a certain care, a certain duty to heroes that remain.

Several have retired. Gracefully, on their own terms. Culture upheld like a proud flag over the gates.

The rest of our heroes have been told the club is now cultivating new ground. The hardest conversations have been had and these heroes will continue elsewhere.

There are many in here who question the culture. I understand the point of view but the timelines tell us otherwise. Bolton was perfectly happy until he was not. Rioli also. The club has laid down a vision, a pathway. Coach and players on the same journey. We need draft currency to access the fast lane.

The club is firmly in control. I repeat, the club is in control. Hartley has successfully sold the vision, this is clear. Gale knows what is required more than anyone - he knows what is looming from Tassie.

Punt Road is letting go of the past.

It’s about discovery now. My advice is to relax and enjoy the coming years because I reckon the club has its eyes on the road and hands on the wheel for the first time in years.

Just on club culture have a listen to Broady’s zingers on talking tigers this week. He interviewed Sam Naismith.

This is a guy who came to the club and played just 3 games and described it as the best year he has had in footy. It’s well known he now runs his own pottery business and when he did his ACL the players all pitched in and bought him his own kiln.

That’s a sign of a great caring culture.

 

[TigerMasochist]

Rubbish. A ceiling on finishing fourth. He even expected higher by his words. He totally over estimated our list whereas Newman was well aware we needed a rebuild and wasn’t selected as the coach.

New Tigers coach sets sights on top-four finish

Richmond's new coach Adem Yze is already daring to dream of steering the Tigers straight back into the AFL top four, with Dustin Martin front and centre of his new era.

www.espn.com.au

Reckon ya might need to take a remedial lesson or two in comprehension n then re-read the article Tiger- *smile*.

 

[Tiggy Train]

FMD.
It's the fans and past players job to get all misty eyed over our 1902 flag, that's history and the appreciation of that history. It's the job of the current coach and players to try and win our next fancy shiny new flag and create the next new bit of history for us to enjoy. Not sit back in the bar sucking a tinny n getting all misty eyed over 1902.
17 - 19 - 20 are simply history. They are there for the fans and past players to reminisce over, they are done and dusted n can't be altered. Any current player who was involved in those flags needs to move forward with the young crew of players and coach who had nothing to do with those flags or they'll either get left behind or out the door. For all those on the ground involved in the job it's present and future that matters, past is for beer o'clock time.

I think they needed to be removed once every premiership player was off our list just out of respect or not upsetting anyone. It's my argument and i'm not saying i'm right as i can't prove it, but neither can anyone else prove the contrary.

 

[Tiggy Train]

Reckon ya might need to take a remedial lesson or two in comprehension n then re-read the article Tiger- *smile*.

nope as it's clear as day

 

[Tiggy Train]

So how long do we leave them there? 5 years, 7 years, 10 years, 37 years!!!!

until every premiership player is off the list would be my obvious choice.

 

[DuD_Delist]

Absolutely nothing which is exactly what it'll mean to the 30 odd newbies on the list that had absolutely nothing to do with our flag era. History is the past, it's done n dusted and can simply only be remembered for what it was. The present and the future are what other possibilities can be lived and created. Ouzo simply asked the blokes who created that history if they were o.k. with putting the history to the side and focusing on the now and the future.

Clearly he has sent the wrong message.Instead of disrespecting a 3rd of the list he should have said this what happens when you do the hard work.You win Flags!
6mnths on:
Dan and Bolton are leaving despite signing long term contracts
Baker our VC leaving
Pickett with only 8 games to go to reach 100 and been offered a 1yr contract decides to retire.
The Goat Dusty never looked happy from day 1.
Its pretty clear that not all the gang were happy with the message.

 

[tiger76]

Yze was telling us we were top four material when he got the job. .

He really didn’t.

And the club is on record as stating that one of the reasons why he got the job was his honesty regarding the list.

What they decided to try this year we can’t be 100% certain of, but like all organisations they will be assessing in real time and adjusting short and long term goals as results and data comes in.

You’re choosing to use general statements made by many coaches to the media such as ‘not putting a ceiling on things’ in an attempt to bolster your argument that Ooze is some sort of cheerleader with no idea who sucked the club in with a pied piper story about the playing group and what could be achieved with it.

When in reality the club has stated that hey wanted a new coach that would grow with the team.

That doesn’t read as wanting a coach that would immediately have the team as a flag contender.

And you keep bringing up Newy like he was the other side of a coin which read ‘rebuild’ on one side and ‘go again on’ on the other.

How much rebuilding was he going to do in 23 rounds of this year?