Adem Yze

Cooper O'Reilly · Jun 16, 2024

Ian4 said:
Seeing Richmond supporters claim on social media that Hawthorn is 4 years ahead of us...

What absolute garbage. They are crap. Their list is crap. That little Watson child isn't of AFL standard. Sicily is decent, but ain't Rance. Day isn't Dusty. Chol isn't Jack.

But they are well coached and well drilled. Maybe Yze is still learning the caper, but Sam Mitchell gave him a bath yesterday.

And yet Hawthorn supporters were flooding the airwaves bemoaning the fact that Mitchell couldn’t coach and needed to be replaced early this season. Fast forward a couple of months and he’s now the messiah and a candidate for coach of the year.

Both suggestions are ridiculous of course, but no more ridiculous than some of the stuff on this forum. Let’s not revert to the “eat our own” mentality that made us a laughing stock to every other club’s supporters, particularly at a time when the club is going through one of the biggest transitions on and off the field in its history.

Can Yze coach? Who can tell considering the *smile* show he has inherited? But I’ll trust in the people who appointed him and who have are far better idea than anyone on this forum.

After all it wasn’t that long ago that we were having the same heated debates about Hardwick. Turned out he wasn’t as bad as many of us thought.

Dev Tiger · Jun 16, 2024

It might be that Yze is just the devolpment coach for three to five years while we stockpile early picks. He might be the Terry Wallace. We don't have the next young A graders already on the list other than maybe Gibcus. We still need to draft them. We were crap while Terry was coach but if you count the year he left we drafted Jack, Shedda, Cotch, Rance, Dusty, Astbury and Grimes to set up the core.

Stig · Jun 17, 2024

seven said:
How many of our players have improved on last year?

Gone backwards
Why ?

Harry · Jun 17, 2024

Too early to tell whether he can coach or not but imo we should be more competitive than we have been.

saigon tiger · Jun 17, 2024

Our game plan all over the field has been rubbish. Our backline is arguably holding us together but that's because we have plenty of talent there. Balta, Vlastuin, Rioli, Brown, Brown. Our transition out of defence is deplorable though and that's because short is generally the link up bloke and his kick it rubbish bombs down the line instead of finding a target is killing us. This is on the coaches as they haven't changed that play all year.

Scoop · Jun 17, 2024

Harry said:
Too early to tell whether he can coach or not but imo we should be more competitive than we have been.

That's me as well. I have questions but I'm not nervous. Yze hasn't had a full deck to coach for most of the year. Would like to see some improvement in the back half of the year.

saigon tiger said:
Our game plan all over the field has been rubbish. Our backline is arguably holding us together but that's because we have plenty of talent there. Balta, Vlastuin, Rioli, Brown, Brown. Our transition out of defence is deplorable though and that's because short is generally the link up bloke and his kick it rubbish bombs down the line instead of finding a target is killing us. This is on the coaches as they haven't changed that play all year.

Look at what Hawthorn have done and are doing again with kickers down back. All elite kicks but more importantly, they know where to go when they have it.
On Saturday that Hawks kickers knew were to go, they ran to space and the kickers put it there. We didn't. Our kicking down back isn't too bad but we don't have any flow coming out of the fifty. It's slow, sideways and never incisive. That's coaching.

TIGER-P155 · Jun 17, 2024

Players that have improved are Miller., Hugo and MRJ.
Unfortunately not enough and the other problem is most Senior player's have declined.
Not enough players have come on as well as injuries with fitness related is still a nemesis to us.
Coaching would be difficult under these circumstances, but I'm not seeing enough senior players being dropped at this this stage for their poor efforts and that's on the MC and coach.
Game plan is also U10 standard.
We have a poor list, but effort is not there and a lot of players appear to be below standard. This happened in 2016 , but with improved fitness. a better game plan and kids given a go everything changed. I still think we don't have the quality to this stage on our list to be competitive for a while.

Willo · Jun 17, 2024

TIGER-P155 said:
Players that have improved are Miller., Hugo and MRJ.
Unfortunately not enough and the other problem is most Senior player's have declined.
Not enough players have come on as well as injuries with fitness related is still a nemesis to us.
Coaching would be difficult under these circumstances, but I'm not seeing enough senior players being dropped at this this stage for their poor efforts and that's on the MC and coach.
Game plan is also U10 standard.
We have a poor list, but effort is not there and a lot of players appear to be below standard. This happened in 2016 , but with improved fitness. a better game plan and kids given a go everything changed. I still think we don't have the quality to this stage on our list to be competitive for a while.

And MRJ is debatable. Played a couple of decent games. That is all, decent. Hardly breakout games.improved? Still hot and cold
I’d say 2 players have improved.Maybe Mansell.
Show some promise ..Campbell, Brown, good, average and poor. To be expected as newbies.

But I get your point. Not many knocking down the doors for a game

TIGER-P155 · Jun 17, 2024

Willo said:
And MRJ is debatable. Played a couple of decent games. That is all, decent. Hardly breakout games.improved? Still hot and cold
I’d say 2 players have improved.Maybe Mansell.
Show some promise ..Campbell, Brown, good, average and poor. To be expected as newbies.

But I get your point. Not many knocking down the doors for a game

Campbell and Brown i agree on, but Mansell is still at the same level.

Sintiger · Jun 17, 2024

seven said:
How many of our players have improved on last year?

Brown, Miller, Campbell, MoJu, Ralphsmith.

It is a bit hard to expect Clarke, Gibcus, Trezise and Bauer to improve given their injury problems. We have discovered good players in Lefau and McAuliffe

Listening to Hawthorn supporters is instructive on this issue. There are a number of players in their team that the supporters were calling duds 12-24 months ago, some of them whipping boys.

Willo · Jun 17, 2024

TIGER-P155 said:
Campbell and Brown i agree on, but Mansell is still at the same level.

Player Statistics Comparison

Rhyan Mansell	Name	Rhyan Mansell
Richmond Tigers	Team	Richmond Tigers
Forward	Position	Forward
44	Career Games	44
Woodville West-Torrens	Origin	Woodville West-Torrens
June 4, 2000	Date of Birth	June 4, 2000
24yr 0mth	Age	Turned 23 in 2023
180cm	Height	180cm
77kg	Weight	77kg
	Last Drafted In
	Last Draft Position
	Last Drafted By
2024	Stats for Season	2023
12	Games	17
7.5	Kicks	5.5
2.8	Handballs	2.2
10.3	Disposals	7.8
2.4	Marks	2.4
0.8	Goals	0.6
0.6	Behinds	0.3
3.4	Tackles	2.5
0	Hitouts	0
2.8	Inside 50s	1.8
0.7	Goal Assists	0.1
0.8	Frees For	0.8
0.9	Frees Against	0.5
4.7	Contested Possessions	2.8
5.5	Uncontested Possessions	5.0
6.8	Effective Disposals	5.1
66%	Disposal Efficiency %	65.4%
2.3	Clangers	1.5
0.2	Contested Marks	0.1
0.6	Marks Inside 50	0.5
0.3	Clearances	0.2
0.2	Rebound 50s	0.3
1.2	One Percenters	1.3
0.1	Bounces	0
76.1	Time On Ground %	60.0
0.1	Centre Clearances	0.1
0.2	Stoppage Clearances	0.2
3.9	Score Involvements	2.9
207.9	Metres Gained	142.1
2.4	Turnovers	2.0
1.4	Intercepts	1.1
1.6	Tackles Inside 50	0.9
52.8	AFL Fantasy Score	41.2
59.2	Supercoach Score	40.5

Rhyan Mansell	Name	Rhyan Mansell
Richmond Tigers	Team	Richmond Tigers
Forward	Position	Forward
44	Career Games	44
Woodville West-Torrens	Origin	Woodville West-Torrens
June 4, 2000	Date of Birth	June 4, 2000
24yr 0mth	Age	Turned 23 in 2023
180cm	Height	180cm
77kg	Weight	77kg
	Last Drafted In
	Last Draft Position
	Last Drafted By
2024	Stats for Season	2023
12	Games	17
90	Kicks	94
34	Handballs	38
124	Disposals	132
29	Marks	40
10	Goals	10
7	Behinds	5
41	Tackles	43
0	Hitouts	0
34	Inside 50s	30
8	Goal Assists	2
10	Frees For	13
11	Frees Against	9
56	Contested Possessions	48
66	Uncontested Possessions	85
81	Effective Disposals	86
65.3%	Disposal Efficiency %	65.2%
28	Clangers	25
3	Contested Marks	1
7	Marks Inside 50	8
4	Clearances	4
3	Rebound 50s	6
14	One Percenters	22
1	Bounces	0
913	Time On Ground %	1020
1	Centre Clearances	1
3	Stoppage Clearances	3
47	Score Involvements	50
2495	Metres Gained	2416
29	Turnovers	34
17	Intercepts	19

Carter · Jun 17, 2024

You look at the team sheet from the weekend and you think ‘that’s a reasonable collection of footballers’.

In context though, against the contenders of this competition, you realise how far off we are.

Another bottom four finish coming up in 2025 but two off-seasons of drafting high will do us a world of good.

Harry · Jun 17, 2024

Mini had us much more competitive with the same list. Did we make the right call?

TT33 · Jun 17, 2024

Harry said:
Mini had us much more competitive with the same list. Did we make the right call?

He didn't have the same decimating injury list that Yze has. Yes we did make the right call. We needed to change.

Time will tell when all's said & done.

Willo · Jun 17, 2024

Harry said:
Mini had us much more competitive with the same list. Did we make the right call?

But he still had JR up forward and Cotch .Even though they were on their last legs, they provided some leadership. Grimes as well.
And Taranto for nearly every game and Hopper for half the year.

TIGER-P155 · Jun 17, 2024

Willo said:
Player Statistics Comparison

Rhyan Mansell
Name
Rhyan Mansell
Richmond Tigers
Team
Richmond Tigers
Forward
Position
Forward
44
Career Games
44
Woodville West-Torrens
Origin
Woodville West-Torrens
June 4, 2000
Date of Birth
June 4, 2000
24yr 0mth
Age
Turned 23 in 2023
180cm
Height
180cm
77kg
Weight
77kg

Last Drafted In

Last Draft Position

Last Drafted By

2024
Stats for Season
2023
12
Games
17
7.5
Kicks
5.5
2.8
Handballs
2.2
10.3
Disposals
7.8
2.4
Marks
2.4
0.8
Goals
0.6
0.6
Behinds
0.3
3.4
Tackles
2.5
0
Hitouts
0
2.8
Inside 50s
1.8
0.7
Goal Assists
0.1
0.8
Frees For
0.8
0.9
Frees Against
0.5
4.7
Contested Possessions
2.8
5.5
Uncontested Possessions
5.0
6.8
Effective Disposals
5.1
66%
Disposal Efficiency %
65.4%
2.3
Clangers
1.5
0.2
Contested Marks
0.1
0.6
Marks Inside 50
0.5
0.3
Clearances
0.2
0.2
Rebound 50s
0.3
1.2
One Percenters
1.3
0.1
Bounces
0
76.1
Time On Ground %
60.0
0.1
Centre Clearances
0.1
0.2
Stoppage Clearances
0.2
3.9
Score Involvements
2.9
207.9
Metres Gained
142.1
2.4
Turnovers
2.0
1.4
Intercepts
1.1
1.6
Tackles Inside 50
0.9
52.8
AFL Fantasy Score
41.2
59.2
Supercoach Score
40.5

Rhyan Mansell
Name
Rhyan Mansell
Richmond Tigers
Team
Richmond Tigers
Forward
Position
Forward
44
Career Games
44
Woodville West-Torrens
Origin
Woodville West-Torrens
June 4, 2000
Date of Birth
June 4, 2000
24yr 0mth
Age
Turned 23 in 2023
180cm
Height
180cm
77kg
Weight
77kg

Last Drafted In

Last Draft Position

Last Drafted By

2024
Stats for Season
2023
12
Games
17
90
Kicks
94
34
Handballs
38
124
Disposals
132
29
Marks
40
10
Goals
10
7
Behinds
5
41
Tackles
43
0
Hitouts
0
34
Inside 50s
30
8
Goal Assists
2
10
Frees For
13
11
Frees Against
9
56
Contested Possessions
48
66
Uncontested Possessions
85
81
Effective Disposals
86
65.3%
Disposal Efficiency %
65.2%
28
Clangers
25
3
Contested Marks
1
7
Marks Inside 50
8
4
Clearances
4
3
Rebound 50s
6
14
One Percenters
22
1
Bounces
0
913
Time On Ground %
1020
1
Centre Clearances
1
3
Stoppage Clearances
3
47
Score Involvements
50
2495
Metres Gained
2416
29
Turnovers
34
17
Intercepts
19

Hardly inspiring to really say he's improved significantly to impact games.

TigerForce · Jun 17, 2024

Sintiger said:
Brown, Miller, Campbell, MoJu, Ralphsmith.

It is a bit hard to expect Clarke, Gibcus, Trezise and Bauer to improve given their injury problems. We have discovered good players in Lefau and McAuliffe

Listening to Hawthorn supporters is instructive on this issue. There are a number of players in their team that the supporters were calling duds 12-24 months ago, some of them whipping boys.

Same with wanting to sack Mitchell.

TigerForce · Jun 17, 2024

Willo said:
But he still had JR up forward and Cotch .Even though they were on their last legs, they provided some leadership. Grimes as well.
And Taranto for nearly every game and Hopper for half the year.

That's right. He had Jack and Chimp. Mini's now copping some of the sh!t for Snowbourne's current demise.

BT Tiger · Jun 17, 2024

Cooper O'Reilly said:
And yet Hawthorn supporters were flooding the airwaves bemoaning the fact that Mitchell couldn’t coach and needed to be replaced early this season. Fast forward a couple of months and he’s now the messiah and a candidate for coach of the year.

Both suggestions are ridiculous of course, but no more ridiculous than some of the stuff on this forum. Let’s not revert to the “eat our own” mentality that made us a laughing stock to every other club’s supporters, particularly at a time when the club is going through one of the biggest transitions on and off the field in its history.

Can Yze coach? Who can tell considering the *smile* show he has inherited? But I’ll trust in the people who appointed him and who have are far better idea than anyone on this forum.

After all it wasn’t that long ago that we were having the same heated debates about Hardwick. Turned out he wasn’t as bad as many of us thought.

Spot on. Who can forget the infamous "When will Bernie go?" thread or the constant inane commentary around FlyLeppaCella.

Willo · Jun 17, 2024

TIGER-P155 said:
Hardly inspiring to really say he's improved significantly to impact games.

But he has improved. Some have been giving plaudits for MRJ’s great improvement this year. Not even close to Mansell atm.
They must use different criteria

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