Yeh I’ve been thinking about this. I’m probably too fearful to face up to the pick 5 scenario. It’d be a horror show.
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Acceptance - we are now a middling side
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Categorically, not true, then the most talented side would win it every year? Why didn't we win in 2018? Why didn't Melbourne win last?
Chemistry/Culture + talent wins it. You create a culture that makes talent better. Talent alone never wins anything. I thought you'd be the last person to think otherwise TBH TBR.
Indeed - I've asked TBR in the past about how we could have gone from 13th in 2016 to Premiers in 2017 as he claims culture/coaching don't really make a difference - sure, we got some good players in Prestia/Nank/Caddy but even so that doesn't explain such a complete turnaround in fortunes.
On the "Richmond Man" thing - yes, it's gimmicky, but it gives a more tangible concept for players to behave in the right way and to continually strive towards good behaviours. It creates a narrative - "we at this club behave in this way" - and that's going to be motivating for a group. The smarter players will see it for what it is, but they'll buy in if it gets results. Some players might ignore it but peer pressure is a powerful thing.
Spot on. Culture is the most important part in building success whether it be a sports club, employment etc... If people all respect each other, success will come.
Talent + System + Cohesion = Success
There have been some successful teams with crap cultures, although I reckon for a club to have sustainable success moving forward they would need a strong inclusive values driven culture. The times are a changin.
There have been some successful teams with crap cultures, although I reckon for a club to have sustainable success moving forward they would need a strong inclusive values driven culture. The times are a changin.
So when Blair scans the field for talent he's looking for the next Richmond Man (whatever that means)? Many on here, including yourself, claimed Grundy wasn't needed because we had the prototype Richmond Man in Nank. This despite the fact that premiership favourites were adding the second best ruck in the comp to help out the best in Gawn. The fact Richmond Man Nank was our spititual leader was enough, our culture would save the day, This is what I'm referring to when I speak of hubris & premiership hangover theatrics, much like the culture which fostered the notion we would only be only coughing up a mid teens pick for Hopper, it can lead to Teflon man revisionism. I have no problem fostering a good culture but elitist labels like Richmond Man are the very things that can lead to the implosion of a footy club. In the mid eighties there was also a fake aura which led to *smile* truck decisions at the trade table and desperation to get the deal done at whatever cost. Keep it simple, Richmond culture would suffice and leave the catchphrases to the mob in Bay 13 who enjoy a bit of 'I wanna be a Richo Man'.
nope, that's not how recruiting or having an archetype for people to gauge their behaviours against works
Bullus, every recruiter takes character into consideration when drafting players, then you back your culture to turn them into what you want them to be in, in our case a "Richmond man". Not sure what the Richmond man mantra , has to do with Grundy, Hopper and Taranto. There isn't a cultural issue at the club, there isn't a sense of panic or "Teflon man revisionism" whatever that means. The Richmond man mantra is the polar opposite of elitist thinking. If we fail, it won't be at a cultural level. That's the last thing that we will point the finger at. Comparing 2023 Richmond to 1980's Richmond in any shape or form is hyperbole. We are stable, financial with no internal politic forces brewing right now. The Taratno/Hopper list build MAY prove to be wrong but that won't be because of the Richmond Man. I find both your and TBR's stance on this quite bizarre and paints the club as being poorly run despite winning three flags and being the cultural envy of the AFL.
As others have said your post has nothing at all to do with The Richmond Man.
Disagree
We had a great culture in a reject under 12 side that didnt get within 20 goals of an opponent all year once
We spent the year laughing our heads off
The zenith was when our disabled ruckman accidentally headed in our first goal and the team celebrated like a premiership
The other bad news bears movie script moment came when the only girl in the league, our girl, hip and shouldered the reigning regional rep captain right into an ambulance.
culture is about love and laughter, which are symptoms of honesty.
Not winning
Anyone whose brain dont compute that,
Will never understand
Richmond Person
Read through some of the commentary on Mitchell, there was a great deal of snobbery when sized up against Taranto, anyone reading might be seduced into thinking that the Clarkson culture had ushered in a new era of chip scabs. These dichotomies are unhelpful and by its very nature 'Richmond Man' focuses on the individual rather than the collective. Take a poll, Richmond Man or Richmond Culture, which is more appropriate for the times.
You are correct because Richmond Man is a throwaway line which is baseless and contingent on winning, it's that simple really.
It's actually the opposite re: winning.
Winning can be one of the final outcomes of great culture, of which the Richmond Man is a huge part of ours.
You don't understand it Bullus. That's Ok.
If the club or someone here disagrees with what you on the list build it's not a reflection on the entire culture of the club being poisonous.
Yeah, you can change it to Richmond Person or culture but it doesn't change the principles of what it is. It's the complete opposite of individual over club, baffling you can think that with every thing that has happened.
There's a lot of talented sides out there and they are bloody hard to win. I didn't say the most talented side though, I said having great players who combine well in a team.
You have to have the guys who are prepared to make the sacrifices necessary for the team to be it's best. If we don't have Kane Lambert prepared to do donkey work then Dustin Martin isn't the star he is. In my experience that isn't culture, it comes back to Lambert as an individual.
I reckon I could give you 20 reasons for the change in performance that were all more valid than sitting down talking about your feelings.
Without even thinking about it there's injury occurrence, player development, training years, list changes, the draw, experience levels, game style changes and individual motivation that are all so far ahead of anything cultural that it's not in the same field.
The elephant in the room is there is no way Dustin Martin meets the definition of a 'Richmond man'. Not when he was drafted and not now.
That's by no means a knock on him, he is a fine man and great company but there is no way his personality matches the stuff espoused as being necessary to meet that definition.
Like all aspects of 'culture' however, they don't apply when you are a great player.
Richmond Man means what exactly? You explain it to me, if it's to foster solidarity and work ethic then it misses the mark. Like others have said, it sounds cheesy, like a gentleman's club with a secret moral code. I'm all for team and helping your mates in the trenches but this one feels like a lurch into conservatism and an inability to view things impartially and with respect for competing administrations. When Broad goes to a topless club to show off his medallions is that a Richmond Man? One which you might hang your hat on when attempting a trade sometime in the future? Richmond Culture is a different story and you may not see the difference because you are stuck in a premiership hangover and like many, have grossly overestimated where we are as a football club.
A good question that St Kilda haven't been able to answer is most of their 150 years.
Re enter Ross Lyon and spring shoots start to re -appear with an inherited pretty ordinary list
Im guessing youre not a romantic Bully?
And i dont mean buying flowers for your wife.
I mean that you see the poetry in an old smelly persons eyes.
Its not even slightly a criticism one bit. If we were all romantics, nobodies tractor would work.
But Richmond Man is romance.
Theres no Geelong Man cause there is no romance at Geelong. None.
They might have another cultural identifier, but it would be a bit crap
Who gives a *smile* if jeremy cameron put a premiership medal on a cow? Thats pretending.
A strippers flawless bosom is flawed, maybe even fake, but its not pretending
*nb. See how this thread has found its own way to its own title? Acceptance. Richmond Man: Richmond Woman: Non-binary Richmond They's
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