What did you want to see? Everyone in a new position? Clean crisp football in a match sim?
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Don’t think that’s what I was saying at all. Didn’t mention the quality or anything. I mentioned that it’s early on, and to me it looked a bit all too familiar to what has been the last few seasons, and because u r asking - I would’ve liked to have seen some of the young players more prominent, maybe some other role changes apart from just Balta fwd. is that ok?
Bit disappointed in the collective performances of the class of ‘21. They’re entering their third season, all high draft picks but aren’t doing enough yet.
and you've taken all this from one match sim in January? maybe save judgement for the end of this season
See my initial para. I had no idea what was going on. If you need more knowledge to comment, PRE wouldn't exist.
Was he in red mostly against Nank? Looked to win a lot of taps but no real effect?
My thoughts as well. It's like Yze was told these are your players, these are their positions and this is how you have to get then to play. Go ahead an coach.
Hopefully early doors and players still learning. But why wait until last day in Jan to have your first major match sim?
If you can’t beat up on your teammates in January, what chance do you have against the best the rest of the comp has to offer in March and beyond?
Yesterday was just one match sim but it’s also another underwhelming performance in a growing collection from a group of draftees that much, much more was expected from.
There is still time for the class of 21’ to come good but right now, the signs are not good.
There is one given about pre season that is repeated every year which is that far too much will be read into practice matches.
This year will be no different.
I gave up watching it because apart from some of the established players I couldn’t pick up who was who.
This year will be no different.
I gave up watching it because apart from some of the established players I couldn’t pick up who was who.
Normally I would agree but with a new coach it was a good opportunity to get a good sense of new gameplan/system. Regardless of who was playing, I expected to see a different look and feel to the way we moved the ball. But I didn't see that.
Watched about 2 qtrs
The skill level especially by foot is horrendous.
In the 2nd qtr the team kicking to the Brunton Rd end.
A player coming inside 50 had a simple pass inside 50 missed the pass, the bloke leading almost tore his hamstring in half.
*I'm pretty sure Prestia didn't even break out of a jog before going off.
Not sure why the didn't send him with Gibcus to Qatar
The skill level especially by foot is horrendous.
In the 2nd qtr the team kicking to the Brunton Rd end.
A player coming inside 50 had a simple pass inside 50 missed the pass, the bloke leading almost tore his hamstring in half.
*I'm pretty sure Prestia didn't even break out of a jog before going off.
Not sure why the didn't send him with Gibcus to Qatar
I was at the ground and had one general observation - who can take an overhead mark? Balta, Kozi, Gibcus, Young, Mate, Miller, Ryan doubt any took a single overhead mark. Nank had one late in the backline. Was a strength in our glory years seems Bauer is a one off.
DUSTY PUTS CLASS ON SHOW
Jon Ralph
New Richmond coach Adem Yze watched on in awe from the Punt Road stands as Dustin Martin warmed up for season 15 with another dominant intra-club contest on Wednesday night.
The megastar midfielder did as he pleased in 30 minutes of action before running laps to prove his minor ankle issue is no impediment to his Opening Round participation.
Watching on from the club’s balcony was another interested onlooker – manager Ralph Carr – who, if all goes to plan, will have locked away Martin on a new deal by then.
But while Martin sailed through his scheduled match time, Dion Prestia only lasted a few minutes with what the club later called hamstring awareness.
Prestia has had a tough run with soft-tissue injuries – including hamstrings – so while the club is hopeful the issue is minor, the 31-year-old will have scans.
Playing in the stronger yellow side that contained Shai Bolton and key position players Noah Balta, Jacob Koschitzke, Josh Gibcus and Tylar Young, Martin took a few minutes to shake off the rust. But quickly he was barking instructions, setting up teammates with precise disposal and looking every bit the triple Norm Smith Medallist he is.
Martin has dropped 4kg and looks in superb shape – all perfect leverage for Carr.
Under new coach Yze, Richmond’s new-look side missing premiership stars Trent Cotchin and Jack Riewoldt will need to fast-track a dozen kids to contend in coming seasons.
On Wednesday, young midfielder Thomson Dow was excellent and Steely Green kicked at least three goals as a livewire in the “possibles” team. It will fall to Martin, Tom Lynch and the club’s 25- to-30-year-old core to bridge the gap given the growing pains likely in 2024.
Martin will continue to push for Opening Round against the Gold Coast side he might have joined, but his fitness is one less concern for Yze.
And the personnel in the front six is taking shape even if Richmond isn’t yet sure when Lynch, absent on Wednesday, will be ready for senior action.
Balta will play forward alongside Koschitzke with Liam Baker, Jack Graham, Bolton and Martin playing mid-forward. Rhyan Mansell will play as the pressure forward and while he won the ball at will, he squandered too many chances in the “probables” forward line.
Balta had a brief injury scare then returned to the field from a hip knock but he and Koschitzke were somewhat quiet and Richmond’s system bringing the ball forward still needs refinement.
Clearly so much still depends on Lynch as the key target in a year in which Martin and Bolton – who scrounged a pair of late goals –will hope to combine for 80 majors.
But Lynch’s return date is up in the air, with Dylan Grimes battling a calf issue and Nick Vlastuin still in concussion protocols. Nathan Broad was sick and missed the encounter, and with intercept beast Balta to play forward, the defence needs Gibcus to stand tall.
Gibcus will be better for the run as he eased into action.
Richmond has one list spot open for a summer rookie, and playing in the “possibles” forward line New Zealand-born Mykelti Lefau took a pair of eye-catching contested marks.
Once part of the Melbourne Storm development squad, Lefau did his chances of senior elevation no harm with WAFL mid-forward Mitch Schofield the other contender.
The club’s No.40 draft pick Kane McAuliffe might not be a round 1 smoky given the strong midfield but dominated the club’s first two intra-clubs as a strong midfielder.
www.heraldsun.com.au
Jon Ralph
New Richmond coach Adem Yze watched on in awe from the Punt Road stands as Dustin Martin warmed up for season 15 with another dominant intra-club contest on Wednesday night.
The megastar midfielder did as he pleased in 30 minutes of action before running laps to prove his minor ankle issue is no impediment to his Opening Round participation.
Watching on from the club’s balcony was another interested onlooker – manager Ralph Carr – who, if all goes to plan, will have locked away Martin on a new deal by then.
But while Martin sailed through his scheduled match time, Dion Prestia only lasted a few minutes with what the club later called hamstring awareness.
Prestia has had a tough run with soft-tissue injuries – including hamstrings – so while the club is hopeful the issue is minor, the 31-year-old will have scans.
Playing in the stronger yellow side that contained Shai Bolton and key position players Noah Balta, Jacob Koschitzke, Josh Gibcus and Tylar Young, Martin took a few minutes to shake off the rust. But quickly he was barking instructions, setting up teammates with precise disposal and looking every bit the triple Norm Smith Medallist he is.
Martin has dropped 4kg and looks in superb shape – all perfect leverage for Carr.
Under new coach Yze, Richmond’s new-look side missing premiership stars Trent Cotchin and Jack Riewoldt will need to fast-track a dozen kids to contend in coming seasons.
On Wednesday, young midfielder Thomson Dow was excellent and Steely Green kicked at least three goals as a livewire in the “possibles” team. It will fall to Martin, Tom Lynch and the club’s 25- to-30-year-old core to bridge the gap given the growing pains likely in 2024.
Martin will continue to push for Opening Round against the Gold Coast side he might have joined, but his fitness is one less concern for Yze.
THE FRONT SIX
Richmond plans to play a fast brand of attacking football which is “suffocating” in defence, according to defender Hugo Ralphsmith.And the personnel in the front six is taking shape even if Richmond isn’t yet sure when Lynch, absent on Wednesday, will be ready for senior action.
Balta will play forward alongside Koschitzke with Liam Baker, Jack Graham, Bolton and Martin playing mid-forward. Rhyan Mansell will play as the pressure forward and while he won the ball at will, he squandered too many chances in the “probables” forward line.
Balta had a brief injury scare then returned to the field from a hip knock but he and Koschitzke were somewhat quiet and Richmond’s system bringing the ball forward still needs refinement.
Clearly so much still depends on Lynch as the key target in a year in which Martin and Bolton – who scrounged a pair of late goals –will hope to combine for 80 majors.
ON THE INJURY FRONT
Josh Gibcus has made a strong return from his hamstring issues and got through another contest, with Jack Ross (toe) and Bolton (ankle) also putting in strong minutes after summer niggles.But Lynch’s return date is up in the air, with Dylan Grimes battling a calf issue and Nick Vlastuin still in concussion protocols. Nathan Broad was sick and missed the encounter, and with intercept beast Balta to play forward, the defence needs Gibcus to stand tall.
Gibcus will be better for the run as he eased into action.
Richmond has one list spot open for a summer rookie, and playing in the “possibles” forward line New Zealand-born Mykelti Lefau took a pair of eye-catching contested marks.
Once part of the Melbourne Storm development squad, Lefau did his chances of senior elevation no harm with WAFL mid-forward Mitch Schofield the other contender.
The club’s No.40 draft pick Kane McAuliffe might not be a round 1 smoky given the strong midfield but dominated the club’s first two intra-clubs as a strong midfielder.
www.heraldsun.com.au
Let's separate the 2 parts of being a ruck,
Ruck tap work
Around the ground
While Nank is average in his tap work,he's absolutely elite around the ground.
Naithsmith is the opposite, average around the ground,
Elite tap.
I also watched the first couple of quarters before drifting off to slumberland. Bearing in mind that this was just match-sim against teammates and therefore almost completely meaningless, nevertheless a few things caught my eye.
Firstly, Dow was deadset dominant around stoppages. To the point where if I wanted to work out where the ball was likely to go, I'd just keep an eye on Dow and wait. Disposal by hand was good. Disposal by foot was ok. Looked like he was passing to advantage rather than the player a lot of the time, very Edwards-esque. He's clearly not going to be the guy to provide a whole bunch of outside polish; his skillset is first hands on the ball and dish. There's a place in the best 22 for someone who can do that.
Balta was pretty much invisible. Living proof that being big, athletic, and a good mark of the ball doesn't make you a forward. Almost hard to believe he's been training forward all pre-season given how poor his running patterns and general awareness were. This, of course, was no surprise given that it has been the result every other time he's been trialled forward. Offers so much more as an intercepting CHB - I'll be interested to see how long Yze persists with the experiment before succumbing to the inevitable shift back. (For the record, I genuinely hope Balta proves me wrong.)
McAuliffe is impressive. I've always been of the mind that the really good players look good right from the start. This guy looks the goods.
Green was interesting. Did everything just go right on the day, or has there been genuine improvement? Suspect it was the former, but hope it was the latter.
Great to see Gibcus on the park. Love his marking. But needs to build his one-on-one game when the ball hits the deck or when he's on a big-bodied forward. Really needs the year in the seniors to develop after missing a season, but will leak goals.
Naismith looks like smart recruiting - effective on the park, and will ensure Ryan has to work for his spot in the 22.
Looking forward to seeing the next hit-out against some different competition!
Firstly, Dow was deadset dominant around stoppages. To the point where if I wanted to work out where the ball was likely to go, I'd just keep an eye on Dow and wait. Disposal by hand was good. Disposal by foot was ok. Looked like he was passing to advantage rather than the player a lot of the time, very Edwards-esque. He's clearly not going to be the guy to provide a whole bunch of outside polish; his skillset is first hands on the ball and dish. There's a place in the best 22 for someone who can do that.
Balta was pretty much invisible. Living proof that being big, athletic, and a good mark of the ball doesn't make you a forward. Almost hard to believe he's been training forward all pre-season given how poor his running patterns and general awareness were. This, of course, was no surprise given that it has been the result every other time he's been trialled forward. Offers so much more as an intercepting CHB - I'll be interested to see how long Yze persists with the experiment before succumbing to the inevitable shift back. (For the record, I genuinely hope Balta proves me wrong.)
McAuliffe is impressive. I've always been of the mind that the really good players look good right from the start. This guy looks the goods.
Green was interesting. Did everything just go right on the day, or has there been genuine improvement? Suspect it was the former, but hope it was the latter.
Great to see Gibcus on the park. Love his marking. But needs to build his one-on-one game when the ball hits the deck or when he's on a big-bodied forward. Really needs the year in the seniors to develop after missing a season, but will leak goals.
Naismith looks like smart recruiting - effective on the park, and will ensure Ryan has to work for his spot in the 22.
Looking forward to seeing the next hit-out against some different competition!
Bennnny
Punt Road End. The best place to watch The Tiges.
Look up Ben Darwin in podcasts. He is a sports data analyst. Forwards and backs take a about 6-12 months to settle into new clubs, mids can take 2-3 years (this is premier league soccer). So give him a bit of time to settle in.
I watched the whole thing
Thought defence on both sides was poor. When a team moves the ball fast we are going to get scored against.
Conversely when we moved the ball fast our small forwards looked hot.
The new game style was good for the first 15 but then fell away. It's going to take time.
Ross was in a lot of play. Hopper bog for mine.
Thought defence on both sides was poor. When a team moves the ball fast we are going to get scored against.
Conversely when we moved the ball fast our small forwards looked hot.
The new game style was good for the first 15 but then fell away. It's going to take time.
Ross was in a lot of play. Hopper bog for mine.
Our midfield balance seems a bit of a problem. It’s not a matter of poor recruiting but recruiting both Timmy t and hopper was unexpected so two new fellas without much explosive pace does not compliment our developing mids or aging stars who are losing pace. I think it forces us to use one of Bolton, baker or Kane M on every rotation and lose pace around the ground. Either way we end up too slow if we want an experienced squad on the park.
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