2024 Draft Thread

[Don’t Argue]

On matthew lloyd talking about kids he has coached, I'd take everything he says with a tossed blade of grass

He definitely sings his praise but isn’t that how we get all our information? From people who coach them and watch them play?
I’ve seen him only on tv and highlights packages so will bow to those that have seen him live on numerous occasions.
Those who have are encouraged to speak up.

 

[tigersnake]

I haven’t followed the draft much at all since we were good , however following it on here and via social media in the last couple of months I can’t remember the top rated kids all having so many detractors in the sence that we are focusing on their weaknesses and why they won’t make it , Smith is the best example of this and Smillie and Langford not far behind.

Heard on the radio today , talking about old VCRs and videos it made me think of how much the recruiting process had changed in the AFL and especially us as I said to the @thegeneral01 the other day , the way we do it now is nothing like the way it is was , anyway Greg Miller gave me the videos they used to recruit in 2005 , basically all they had was the state games and a couple of hand held grey blurry vids , I’m pretty sure I still have them lol

It really is amazing how much its changed. The amount of hype that could be generated from one good game, or even good bit of play, that happened to be filmed was amazing. On VHS, I can't remember who it was, some Essendon player, who took his own remote control to a team meeting and kept pausing/ rewinding/ FF etc the video it to confuse Sheeds is still one of the funniest stories I've ever heard.

 

[Mr Brightside]

It really is amazing how much its changed. The amount of hype that could be generated from one good game, or even good bit of play, that happened to be filmed was amazing. On VHS, I can't remember who it was, some Essendon player, who took his own remote control to a team meeting and kept pausing/ rewinding/ FF etc the video it to confuse Sheeds is still one of the funniest stories I've ever heard.

I remember hearing the story of Sheeds walking out from the Sheds as Alessio went passed half a lap ahead of the rest of the team , turned out Alessio was half a lap behind

 

[Tiger Ghost]

Smillie would last in the pecking order if Langford and Smith were still on the board.

Langford about 100/1 chance of getting to our second pick.

Only way we get Langford is taking him at 1, more chance of Smith sliding to 6.

Against the grain i'd do it, there's going to be a bloody good kid left over at our 2nd pick

 

[Smoking Aces]

Why are people so negative towards Daniel Jackson? He went from rower to AFL 150 gamer, he also played a fine year of football and his name is etched on the honour board. If Smillie produces anything close to his best and fairest year then he will be doing very well. Granted, Jacko was a slow burn and that's fair enough but his best was pretty good.

The critical thing with Smillie is identifying his standout feature, it definitely won't be his groundball game, hence the comparison to Jackson, it won't be his gut running in all likelihood and it won't be his overhead marking. That means his contested game will need to be elite, this is a big call and is the reason he's such a boom/bust prospect. The numbers he's producing aren't flying off the charts either, workmanlike but far from elite.

I think at pick 10 you could roll the dice but at pick 6 you stand to lose a core player. Tauru at least provides a solid contingency, Smillie has no other avenue to an AFL career other than contested specialist, he'll need to be producing Green type numbers and that is also a long way off.

No doubt there are question marks over Smilie but his football IQ and foot skills are far superior to Jackson. I am not potting Jackson but comparing Smillie to Jackson is not doing justice to the type of player he could be. I have him pegged as another Tom Green type.

Tauru has just as many question marks as Smillie and both risky propositions at 6.

Let’s hope North blink and pick Tauru at 2 so we get a look at Jagga.

 

[Redford]

I agree with you Leysy. I am no fan of lead up forwards. They need to have something extraordinary to make it. Ie. enormous aerobic capacity ala Cameron.

I much prefer Whitlock or Faull.

I'm not a lead up forward fan either. At least not in the sense of a Shanahan whose game seems almost entirely centred around it. They can look really good in a really good side whose game style is to pin point it low on a lead up, into space, when they're flying, but otherwise. Meh.

 

[spook]

Apples and oranges.

So you are saying he can emulate Cameron?

No, I'm not. He's not as quick as Cameron. They're different players. Armstrong plays a more structural role.

 

[spook]

What post? If I said CCJ was a midfielder I must have been pissed. Show me.

It's literally the post above the one I quoted. You made it five minutes earlier.

 

[Smoking Aces]

No, I'm not. He's not as quick as Cameron. They're different players. Armstrong plays a more structural role.

Structural role in what sense? He isn’t your get out of jail player who you can kick up the line for him to take a grab or bring to ground on the wing. He hasn’t got the endurance to then get back on his bike get back into the forward 50.

 

[spook]

Structural role in what sense? He isn’t your get out of jail player who you can kick up the line for him to take a grab or bring to ground on the wing. He hasn’t got the endurance to then get back on his bike get back into the forward 50.

Yes he is and yes he does. His endurance is elite. He will fly front of the pack. That's structure. Someone you can kick to at the structural position and know they will mark or be hard to outmark. Kick it to CHF: Armstrong is there, in front. Have the ball 70 out and want to hit the hole? Armstrong will meet it there.

Shanahan by comparison wants to come over the back. That's a lurker.

Whitlock is learning structure. Sims can do it but regresses to lurking.

 

[Don’t Argue]

Structural role in what sense? He isn’t your get out of jail player who you can kick up the line for him to take a grab or bring to ground on the wing. He hasn’t got the endurance to then get back on his bike get back into the forward 50.

So many incorrect assumptions.
Agile with elite endurance. Flies for marks from every position. Runs far and wide to collect disposals.
Where are you getting your information from?

 

[Tigatale]

He's good,he will get better in the right environment ,not sure if we will take him though,might fly pass Sampson who has another 3 year's left

Fly past Sampson! That will be week one.

One post ago you though CCJ was a mid. CCJ got stats.

Dudson is a dud. Barge pole.

I apologise. Your quite correct. I was thinking RCD. Got my players mixed up. One too many.

 

[Redford]

One too many.

There's no such thing.

 

[Dyer'ere]

Here's what I think is a pretty typical Armstrong game. In this little package you can check his catching. Can he catch? Can he jump? Does he take front position? Is he quick? Anybody seeing any weaknesses or limitations? Watch 20 games. You'll see em.

After we examine the characteristics of Armstrong's R14 game we are left with another question - how many did he kick? (Did he lay any off?)

 

[Little Ziggyadee]

I have no idea but from ESPN top 30 - Best traits similar to:

Here are some:

Ashcroft = Serong
Smith = Butters
Draper = Warner
FOS = Heeney
Lalor = Petracca
Smillie = T Green
Langford = J Dawson
Armstrong = Naughton
Lindsay = J Kelly
Reid = G Meirs

So can the junior watchers please confirm if Reid's best traits are ducking, sooking and playing for free kicks?

My shopping list would be Smith Petracca & Naughton

 

[bengal tigers]

So many incorrect assumptions.
Agile with elite endurance. Flies for marks from every position. Runs far and wide to collect disposals.
Where are you getting your information from?

Runs far and wide ,but not often enough,he is either a me me type,or a confidence player

 

[Tortured Tiger]

Do you know if the stress fractures were growth related TT ? Happens a bit at that age

No I don’t sorry, I only heard about it on an interview, haven’t seen any details at all.

 

[Smoking Aces]

Yes he is and yes he does. His endurance is elite. He will fly front of the pack. That's structure. Someone you can kick to at the structural position and know they will mark or be hard to outmark. Kick it to CHF: Armstrong is there, in front. Have the ball 70 out and want to hit the hole? Armstrong will meet it there.

Shanahan by comparison wants to come over the back. That's a lurker.

Whitlock is learning structure. Sims can do it but regresses to lurking.

So many incorrect assumptions.
Agile with elite endurance. Flies for marks from every position. Runs far and wide to collect disposals.
Where are you getting your information from?

Improvement will come from Armstrong once he enhances his running game. He arguably gets up the ground less than other key forwards, being so dangerous close to goal, and is sometimes a patchy four-quarter performer. He is the type of runner who fares better in the yo-yo test than a 2km time trial, so can certainly move and run out games, but still has room for growth in that department.

Harry Armstrong Draft Profile

Sandringham spearhead Harry Armstrong is the top key forward of this year's draft and has dominated goalkicking charts across the board.

central.rookieme.com

 

[TigerForce]

Just 6 days + 45 minutes to go....

 

[Steely Danzig]

Whilst Smillie has his flaws he will be a far better footballer than Dan Jackson.

If we get him at 10, I think we have got ourselves a bargain.

Daniel Jackson - the reverse Shane Warne in terms of off-field v on-field intelligence. Richmond's answer to Will Minson.