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2024 Draft Thread

The_General said:
Twomey goes where the intel takes him.

His power rankings reflect the players ongoing performance. So of course that will fluctuate. I think that's all pretty BAU.
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Twomey is a knee jerker ,he was raving about Jagga for a little while,and then in one of his podcasts a week later ,he blows him off about how damaging his possessions aren't and possessions aren't everything ,and then goes over to his new flavour of the week Langford .
I get the power rankings ,although no football has been played for a little while ,and if you go through stats of lots of player's ,lm sure quite a lot are missing from rankings .
It's his ratings ,l would love to have champion data's rating or power rankings ,not that there a good assessment of a player's ability.
 
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Pick6 and 11 to roos forpick2 + there ist nextyear-
1- Finn O'Sullivan
2- sam lalor
10- Xavier lynsday
18- j. Whitlock
20-j. Dattoli
23- h .oliver
24- James barratt
 
Mantikorr said:
We need to just bid on Ashcroft at 1. According to Draftguru the number of premiership players drafted at each pick in the top 10 since the national draft began looks like this:

Pick 1 - 5
Pick 2 - 9
Pick 3 - 12
Pick 4 - 9
Pick 5 - 7
Pick 6 - 2
Pick 7 - 8
Pick 8 - 6
Pick 9 - 8
Pick 10 - 4

Pick 1,6 and 10 have the lowest strike rate. We need to shift our picks!
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Pick 1 lack of success is because the team that gets pick #1 is usually the worst in the league by a long way and just don't recover within the player's career. Tigers aren't going to bid on Ashcroft at #1 imo. Makes no sense for Tigers and Brisbane to not agree to not bid as we could have kept the 500 or so extra points in player draft picks instead of giving it to them.
 
bengal tigers said:
Twomey is a knee jerker ,he was raving about Jagga for a little while,and then in one of his podcasts a week later ,he blows him off about how damaging his possessions aren't and possessions aren't everything ,and then goes over to his new flavour of the week Langford .
I get the power rankings ,although no football has been played for a little while ,and if you go through stats of lots of player's ,lm sure quite a lot are missing from rankings .
It's his ratings ,l would love to have champion data's rating or power rankings ,not that there a good assessment of a player's ability.
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Champion Data is very good at identifying the butchers, someone like Jhye Clark for example, gets plenty of the pill but has minimal impact with his possessions.
 
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Dyer'ere said:
Josh Smillie-

Where does he go? It is one of the intriguing questions in this year's top-10. Richmond has been strongest linked with its second choice, but St Kilda has back-to-back picks and Smillie will be in the ballpark there.
Cal Twomey AFL.com.au

Twomey is nailing Smillie to RFC at #6. Not linking him. Locking him. He mentions St Kilda having back to back picks. If he's got anything else he's not letting it out. (Note the use of that grammatical construction again. Implying authority but vacuous.)

Smillie is a key. Tauru is the biggest key.
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I don't read it that way at all. I think the context is he doesn't know who we are going to take but he knows we have done a lot of work with Smillie. To me it means no more than that and strongest linked does not mean we take him.
If we hold our picks as they are and it gets to 6 and Smillie and one of Smith, Langford, Draper is available then imo it is by means certain we take Smillie.
 
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mrposhman said:
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Its a strange one as there appear to be clear tiers in the draft, the top 6-7, then probably a bunch of about 15 that you could throw a blanket over. Thats the area of the draft that I'm thinking we can extract best value of our picks, ie. slide up and back from that area of the draft.

IMO 10/11 is not really the sweet spot of the draft, I'd prefer to be above that for the best potential mids, or slide back a bit to get the best possible kps.
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It is largely guesswork at this point with maturing skills, club supervised training and the potential for injury, etc all factors difficult/impossible to quantify.

But just looking at Cal's list this morning I don't see your fall off in quality available at 6 or 7, through to the mid teens ... look where he has Lindsay and Shanahan.

I am a big Viking fan and one of the advantages I see of trading for 2 is that it improves the chances of his still being available to us at 6. Obviously not the only advantage.
Can see us letting one of 10/11 go to see us taking say Langford or Smith at 2, but just looking at his list there will be a very significant opportunity loss there as well.
 
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Still no love for Draper around here.
Spirit of Jack said:
Agree with your overall point....but don't lump McAuliffe in there - he is quick and tested through the roof at the combine.


North Adelaide utility Kane McAuliffe has shown his impressive athleticism in front of recruiting staff at the 2023 AFL Draft Combine.

Despite battling injuries at times throughout the year, McAuliffe placed in the top ten in three of the physical tests at Melbourne’s Margaret Court Arena, highlighting his well-rounded athletic base.

McAuliffe’s power and speed shone through in the 20m sprint, where he was the fastest South Australian and fifth quickest overall with a time of 2.930 seconds.

Earlier in the combine he was the first Croweater across the line in the 2km time trial, finishing in six minutes and 26 seconds.

The Rooster also featured among the top players in the country in both the running and standing vertical jumps tests, with heights of 95cm and 77cm respectively.
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Fair enough i have in the past said he is quick . The only problem with that is i have not seen him produce it when he has played in fact i scratch my head and wonder where is this pace. In saying that i was pleased we took him where we did.
Another one is Kaleb Smith i actually watched him play a few games in his draft year and he was quick but he just doesnt seem to produce it when he got a few games.

Maybe thats me and not the players i don't know.
Mr Brightside said:
Wouldn’t have a clue Brodders , im just guessing via the media like the rest of us

Not sure exactly when we started this theory , but it’s been publicly stated that’s what we do , clubs have stated that they only go needs basis when right in the premiership window and generally still go best available with first round picks
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Most years there are two or three who stand out like the proverbial pair of dogs nuts. This year well it is entirely different.

There are some players who are rated high and also fill our list needs.
Smoking Aces said:
But he racks up touches at will and kicks multiple goals as a midfielder. Elite tank.

To not pick him up for that reason only is pure negligence.
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Pace at the top level is king nowdays. Many highly touted ball winners have failed at Afl level because of a lack of pace. Their is a risk here. IF he becomes say a Josh Kennedy sydney type great. On the flip side you do get slower big mids who dominate contested ball so maybe i willmlook a bit harder no good being a closed book.

From a list perspective we can take a different type who is just as highly rated in a very even top 10.
To be honest his lack of pace has had me ignore him to a large degree as i have focused more on needs. Taranto Hopper and McAuliffe are all similar inside so to me the need is not there. If Lalor is taken at one we have another big mid who can also go forward. The need becomes even less.
I will get off my lazy arse and have a good look at what i can get on him. Im always prepared to change.

For me if we had pick two i would be going Lalor who himself is a big unit but with speed and Draper.
 
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Sintiger said:
imo it is by means certain we take Smillie.
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I'm reading it that Cal says Yes to Smillie to RFC at #6, Sin. But maybe you're right. And he doesn't mean that. We'll know what he thinks after his All-Seeing next post.
 
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momentai said:
It is largely guesswork at this point with maturing skills, club supervised training and the potential for injury, etc all factors difficult/impossible to quantify.

But just looking at Cal's list this morning I don't see your fall off in quality available at 6 or 7, through to the mid teens ... look where he has Lindsay and Shanahan.

I am a big Viking fan and one of the advantages I see of trading for 2 is that it improves the chances of his still being available to us at 6. Obviously not the only advantage.
Can see us letting one of 10/11 go to see us taking say Langford or Smith at 2, but just looking at his list there will be a very significant opportunity loss there as well.
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Opportunity cost tells me 10 & 11 are wide open, the difference between Jack & Matt Whitlock is marginal, there's even an outside chance Matt does a Ben King and winds up being better than his brother. Shanahan at 10 or 11 is the same deal, Faull could prove to be the better player. We'd be much better trading 10 & 11 for 2, that guarantees two quality midfielders & Tauru, that's already half way to nailing a royal flush.
 
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Dyer'ere said:
I'm reading it that Cal says Yes to Smillie to RFC at #6, Sin. But maybe you're right. And he doesn't mean that. We'll know what he thinks after his All-Seeing next post.
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Personally I think right now we are all reading too much into "links", as you rightly pointed out ...interviews

In my opinion the only thing that is certain about Richmond's picks right now is the Blair et al is not telling anyone, and that includes pick 1 and certainly pick 6.
 
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bullus_hit said:
Opportunity cost tells me 10 & 11 are wide open, the difference between Jack & Matt Whitlock is marginal, there's even an outside chance Matt does a Ben King and winds up being better than his brother. Shanahan at 10 or 11 is the same deal, Faull could prove to be the better player. We'd be much better trading 10 & 11 for 2, that guarantees two quality midfielders & Tauru, that's already half way to nailing a royal flush.
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How about 11 and 18. .. Wasn't suggesting we take Shanahan at 11. Just pointing out that the earlier suggestion that there is a fall off after 7 is questionable with Cal having Lindsay and Shanahan, both of whom I rate, going much later. Keeping 6 an absolute priority.
 
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bullus_hit said:
Opportunity cost tells me 10 & 11 are wide open, the difference between Jack & Matt Whitlock is marginal, there's even an outside chance Matt does a Ben King and winds up being better than his brother. Shanahan at 10 or 11 is the same deal, Faull could prove to be the better player. We'd be much better trading 10 & 11 for 2, that guarantees two quality midfielders & Tauru, that's already half way to nailing a royal flush.
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Only problem is North won't trade for 10 & 11. They want Tauru, so why would they trade to allow us to get Tauru? I can't see how we get Tauru if our priority is also 2 of the best midfielders.
 
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tigerlove said:
Only problem is North won't trade for 10 & 11. They want Tauru, so why would they trade to allow us to get Tauru? I can't see how we get Tauru if our priority is also 2 of the best midfielders.
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A few pages back there's an indication they would do that deal, they obviously believe Tauru will be around the mark.
 
bullus_hit said:
A few pages back there's an indication they would do that deal, they obviously believe Tauru will be around the mark.
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I don't think anyone sees Tauru lasting until #10, particularly with Saints having 2 picks before #10. But certainly they wouldn't do it unless Tigers guaranteed they wouldn't take Tauru before their pick. So I can't see how Tigers do the deal and get Tauru.
 
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Listening to gettable , sounds like we will get some good offers to trade into picks next year , bloody tough call with who is left available and even more so how even the competition looks like being next year , lots of clubs could improve and lots could slide , huge calls to make on the calls he receives on draft night for Blair , maybe 2 in the bush could be caught with a big net
 
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