2024 Draft Thread

[Redford]

He's a good player Lalor but I don't get the lack of scrutiny and risk management assessment, and the accompanying value that comes with that assessment.

There's nothing that tells me that Lalor is soooo much better than FOS or Jagga or maybe even Langford and Draper that he just simply has to be taken at 1. Then, you add in a number of soft tissue injuries (one of them serious) and not coming back in great shape from any of them, plus questions around his endurance levels, and Lalor blows out to a value of about pick 6 or 7 to me.

If we keep 6, then personally I prefer FOS or Jagga at 1 over Lalor. And if that means missing out on Lalor and its a FOS/Jagga + Langford/Draper scenario, then I'm 100% ok with that.

 

[Berwick boy]

He's admitted several times the last few weeks that this has been the most difficult draft he's ever worked on and to not expect past levels of accuracy.

That's a given this year.

And look at us with all our "expert" opinions and even we cant get close to agreeing

 

[bullus_hit]

Nah.

FJ loved taking a fly at someone. And didnt matter if it was early.

Whether it be a mega skinny and small flanker like Shai, Shedda and Menadue.

To falling on love for someone with great kicking skills, but without the runs on the board winning own ball or athletically like Lennon and Ellis.

Even his greatest hits had elite attributes but significant drawbacks - Jack could leap on tall buildings and great skills but was mega slow. Rance athletic beast but zero composure. Hence why both didnt go earlier, but FJ took the leap.

Even Daniel was taken early more on athletic ability than what he produced on the field.

Then Matt Dea who he apparently hid behind a tree to spot, cos he'd played so little football.

The 2014 draft sums him up - Took a punt on Ellis and Menadue with our first two picks - Confetti.

Then absolutely nailed the rookie draft taking Short, Lablett, George and Soldo.

Yes he had some more reliable straight forward picks - Vlastuin, Ellis, KMac.

But he loved backing himself in and taking a punt on a selection more than most and definitely more than Clarke who's largely gone consensus picks.

Interesting if we revert from that this year. Lalor at 1 might be an early sign we will. It has FJ's imprints ILO.

For starters Shai was a Clarke pick and I'm talking about conservatism in the first round, beyond that guys like Edwards & Menadue come into play. Dea was a third round pick, I think it's fine to have a punt at this point in the draft. He wasn't a terrible pick either, 70 games a lot more than most third rounders.

Dan Rioli was the exception, that draft was Jackson's last hurrah and I actually rate this pick to be the best of his career. This was a compromised draft with all the goodies snapped up by Gold Coast. We were in the market for a small forward and had Ah Chee pencilled in but then had to get creative once he was taken at pick 8. This was a visionary pick with an incomplete body of work but Jackson nailed it and the rest is history.

 

[Sintiger]

Nah.

FJ loved taking a fly at someone. And didnt matter if it was early.

Whether it be a mega skinny and small flanker like Shai, Shedda and Menadue.

To falling on love for someone with great kicking skills, but without the runs on the board winning own ball or athletically like Lennon and Ellis.

Even his greatest hits had elite attributes but significant drawbacks - Jack could leap on tall buildings and great skills but was mega slow. Rance athletic beast but zero composure. Hence why both didnt go earlier, but FJ took the leap.

Even Daniel was taken early more on athletic ability than what he produced on the field.

Then Matt Dea who he apparently hid behind a tree to spot, cos he'd played so little football.

The 2014 draft sums him up - Took a punt on Ellis and Menadue with our first two picks - Confetti.

Then absolutely nailed the rookie draft taking Short, Lablett, George and Soldo.

Yes he had some more reliable straight forward picks - Vlastuin, Ellis, KMac.

But he loved backing himself in and taking a punt on a selection more than most and definitely more than Clarke who's largely gone consensus picks.

Interesting if we revert from that this year. Lalor at 1 might be an early sign we will. It has FJ's imprints ILO.

Yeah some interesting picks in that lot. Bolton, Edwards and Menadue were all taken in the 20s or early 30s, two out of 3! I think it was Blair overheard saying at the draft that Menadue would take 3 years …still waiting

Rioli was always a bit of the romance of Richmond getting another Rioli but I do recall it being said that his improvement in his draft year was very large. 2 years later he kicked 4 goals in a preliminary final and was a vital cog in the flag.

I have posted before that I would like us to look at a player or two who has improved a lot this year. Not sure who that is.

 

[17]

Nah.

FJ loved taking a fly at someone. And didnt matter if it was early.

Whether it be a mega skinny and small flanker like Shai, Shedda and Menadue.

To falling on love for someone with great kicking skills, but without the runs on the board winning own ball or athletically like Lennon and Ellis.

Even his greatest hits had elite attributes but significant drawbacks - Jack could leap on tall buildings and great skills but was mega slow. Rance athletic beast but zero composure. Hence why both didnt go earlier, but FJ took the leap.

Even Daniel was taken early more on athletic ability than what he produced on the field.

Then Matt Dea who he apparently hid behind a tree to spot, cos he'd played so little football.

The 2014 draft sums him up - Took a punt on Ellis and Menadue with our first two picks - Confetti.

Then absolutely nailed the rookie draft taking Short, Lablett, George and Soldo.

Yes he had some more reliable straight forward picks - Vlastuin, Ellis, KMac.

But he loved backing himself in and taking a punt on a selection more than most and definitely more than Clarke who's largely gone consensus picks.

Interesting if we revert from that this year. Lalor at 1 might be an early sign we will. It has FJ's imprints ILO.

I feel way more comfortable with FJ back at the table than Matty Clarke heading up recruiting.
He did select a few weird ones but undeniable he build a dynasty team.
Coaches are way better at their second gig (unless they get an apprenticeship eternity like Dimma).
Hopefully its the same with FJ - go get 'em Tiger.

 

[Smoking Aces]

A lot of Jagga at 1 buzz doing the rounds now.

Wont go at 1.

 

[Scoop]

Where did you hear that Scoop?

Tomato, mustard and sweet n sour.

 

[Scoop]

Wont go at 1.

Who you locking in?

 

[Smoking Aces]

Does Twomey bring out his next phantom tomorrow?

Normally the day before or day of draft night.

 

[Smoking Aces]

Nah.

FJ loved taking a fly at someone. And didnt matter if it was early.

Whether it be a mega skinny and small flanker like Shai, Shedda and Menadue.

To falling on love for someone with great kicking skills, but without the runs on the board winning own ball or athletically like Lennon and Ellis.

Even his greatest hits had elite attributes but significant drawbacks - Jack could leap on tall buildings and great skills but was mega slow. Rance athletic beast but zero composure. Hence why both didnt go earlier, but FJ took the leap.

Even Daniel was taken early more on athletic ability than what he produced on the field.

Then Matt Dea who he apparently hid behind a tree to spot, cos he'd played so little football.

The 2014 draft sums him up - Took a punt on Ellis and Menadue with our first two picks - Confetti.

Then absolutely nailed the rookie draft taking Short, Lablett, George and Soldo.

Yes he had some more reliable straight forward picks - Vlastuin, Ellis, KMac.

But he loved backing himself in and taking a punt on a selection more than most and definitely more than Clarke who's largely gone consensus picks.

Interesting if we revert from that this year. Lalor at 1 might be an early sign we will. It has FJ's imprints ILO.

Like I replied to Scoop, we wont be taking Jagga at 1. But the reasons you state above is exactly why.

 

[Smoking Aces]

Who you locking in?

Lalor. And I cant split FOS and Langford if we get pick 2.

All I know is it wont be Jagga.

 

[Dyer'ere]

Normally the day before or day of draft night.

There's one between now and then, SA.

 

[Smoking Aces]

There's one between now and then, SA.

Then it will be a power ranking and not a phantom draft.

 

[Scoop]

Lalor. And I cant split FOS and Langford if we get pick 2.

All I know is it wont be Jagga.

Is that intel or a viewpoint on Jags?

 

[Tortured Tiger]

I feel way more comfortable with FJ back at the table than Matty Clarke heading up recruiting.
He did select a few weird ones but undeniable he build a dynasty team.
Coaches are way better at their second gig (unless they get an apprenticeship eternity like Dimma).
Hopefully its the same with FJ - go get 'em Tiger.

The thing is we don’t know how much input Toce has had as well. Will Blair /Frank just be picking his preferences or was he too ill to have much input at all ? We may never know.

 

[mad_tiggy911]

I remember someone posting that Toce was ill not long after he was appointed recruiting manager.

Not sure how much input he may have had after that.

 

[Linuscambridge64]

Is Frank definitely back running the show? I preferred his picks to Clarkes.

I'm glad Clarke is gone. Not sure he hit too many out of the park.

FJ spends way more time on the golf course at 13th Beach than actually going to games. I know he watches everything available online these days, which is a lot more than it used to be, so not to be sneezed at. But I would hope Toce left good instructions, along with the others who are full time, and Francis can float in and impart his considerable wisdom if it’s a line ball call.

 

[Tortured Tiger]

A

Endurance and agility a worry for AFL level. Plus injury concerns.

I'd hate to blow Pick 1 on someone who can't cover the ground or might end up a Nathan Freeman.

Rather pick our future captain at 1.

If Lalor or Langford are there at 6 we take them there.

FOS is also overrated. I hope the Blues take him.

The concerns with Lalor are certainly fair enough, I have them as well but unfortunately there is no guarantees with any junior. I believe Gibcus had a good injury record before we drafted him but has had nothing but bad luck since. The majority of the top kids seem to have had some injury concerns apart from Langford and Jagga but that still doesn’t guarantee they won’t do a knee in their first game. A hell of a lot of luck comes into this drafting caper in so many ways. Let’s hope our new strength and conditioning man can minimise the chaos.

 

[Leysy Days]

For starters Shai was a Clarke pick and I'm talking about conservatism in the first round, beyond that guys like Edwards & Menadue come into play. Dea was a third round pick, I think it's fine to have a punt at this point in the draft. He wasn't a terrible pick either, 70 games a lot more than most third rounders.

Dan Rioli was the exception, that draft was Jackson's last hurrah and I actually rate this pick to be the best of his career. This was a compromised draft with all the goodies snapped up by Gold Coast. We were in the market for a small forward and had Ah Chee pencilled in but then had to get creative once he was taken at pick 8. This was a visionary pick with an incomplete body of work but Jackson nailed it and the rest is history.

Nup. Clarke took over recruiting in 2017. Shai was drafted in 16'. He was FJ's pick.


Richmond recruiting manager Francis Jackson said Bolton's speed was a handy asset.

"It won't go astray," Jackson told AFL.com.au.

"We added Daniel (Rioli) last year and provided a lot of excitement and we think Shai is well placed to do the same."

Both are noted tacklers who will put enormous pressure on opposition defenders while feeding off any crumbs from Jack Riewoldt.

Bolton was, by his own admission, slightly inconsistent during 2016 but he is capable of turning a game in minutes with his goal sense and capacity to do the unexpected.



Absolutely typical FJ pick. Huge ceiling and some elite traits but inconsistent and some flaws to iron out. Potatoes Clarke rarely if ever had the plums to take a punt on such players. His legacy will be drafting vanilla, consensus type footballers without any great traits nor flaws.

 

[btoz_01]

A

Endurance and agility a worry for AFL level. Plus injury concerns.

I'd hate to blow Pick 1 on someone who can't cover the ground or might end up a Nathan Freeman.

Rather pick our future captain at 1.

If Lalor or Langford are there at 6 we take them there.

FOS is also overrated. I hope the Blues take him.

No chance Lalor will be there at 6 more than likely Langford will be