Yep i don't understand it.
While others will improve under a professional enviorment apparently Jagga is at his ceiling and won't.
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2024 Draft Thread
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While others will improve under a professional enviorment apparently Jagga is at his ceiling and won't.
Issue is he is a very young player. Chance of re-occurrence is much higher than the more mature player. Misses out on a year of progress at a very important time. Misses a proper pre-season and even longer to get confidence back in the knee. Means he's coming from a very long-way back. So unless it's a prodigious talent I don't think, where we are as a club, that investing in that risk is a good choice.
Nah. They're thinking that he's had a bit of a head start on most of the others so he maybe won't improve as much, plus being an undernourished looking scrawny little weed he might struggle slightly against bigger sized bodies that have the same midfield capabilities as him. It's all thoughts and speculation until they get drafted n put 50 or 60 games under the belt anyway, just keeps the expert opinionators amused until something actually happens.
They tend to fill out ok TM, Darcy Parish looked like he would meet his match in the AFL but has proven the naysayers wrong, Butters was also a flyweight.
You asked the question on the basis of getting some sort of great value, and I answered it. Not top 5.
At draft time, you actually do want everything to be as "black and white" and "definitive" as possible. You want to eliminate as many uncertainties and risks as possible. That's how every recruiting team works. Or, at least, be in a position where you can take a calculated risk ie a top 4 team or whatever.
We're not in that position - especially if we take Lalor as well. Happy to let other clubs take the risk-reward punt with Hotton.
We may not Tigerlove and there are plenty on here who agree with that view. However there will be a club who thinks he is a talent and that there are plenty of players who recover well from ACLs and take that risk. Petracca is a good example as he had an ACL before he played a game in his first pre season.
It is nothing more than a risk/reward judgement and different clubs will make that calculation differently.
I don’t have a view on how good he is because I am not a junior watcher but there are plenty of reports that he is very good. He will probably drop down the list to the point where someone decides the risk is worth it, as will Trainor with his concussion issues.
That’s an opinion but as you said, someone will take that risk. It may be Richmond, it may not be.
All I said was plenty of players recover well from ACLs and there will be a point where the risk/reward is seen as worth it. For one club that might be in the teens, for another it might be pick 50.
Yes someone will take the risk because of where they are as a club. From our point of view, and where we are as a club, I think we need as little risk as possible. We have alot of gaps to fill and need to make as many picks as possible count. It would have been interesting to see where he'd be if he hadn't done a knee. His 4 games this year were vere good. One 32 disposal, 4 goal game.
He's no Shai on the limited clips I've seen. I remember being blown away by Bolton's pre draft highlights reel.
Just one other thing on Hotton, he did his knee at training, just simply making a change of direction. A complete rupture. Not partial. That's not good.
As someone who has done 2 ACL's and had countless surgeries, MRI's, consults -all with the big name AFL surgeons and with my doctor as well who is a 12 year head doctor at a large AFL club (and sat in on some of my surgeries) - I can tell you that doing your knee that way is a worse way than getting a knock or someone falling across your leg. The reason being that suspicions start to rise that there is some sort of natural laxity in the joint v a blunt force causing the injury ie unlucky.
And I use the word "suspicions" because surgeons ultimately can not tell. MRI's and scopes will only look at the structure of things. You can't test or investigate for full load stress through your knee in the operating theatre or in the surgeons office. Only the individual themselves can do that, and even then, it's got to be over time and with repetition.
Every surgeon or specialist will tell you they did a perfect job and that structurally everything looks great. But not one of them will guarantee that you won't do it again or even that you are of minimal risk of doing it again. In fact, just 12 months ago my current surgeon (guy who is seen as the man by AFL clubs currently) said the knee is very complex and vague in many respects. Even MRI's only pick up structurally complete evaluations about 80% of the time. I've been victim of that - endless MRI's that show nothing, only to have a scope that pulls out multiple bone and cartilage fragments.
The good news for Hotton though, is that he did not damage his MCL or meniscus. That's good. Also good (perhaps) is that his revision surgery was for removal of excess scar tissue which indicates solid healing. Again, I've had that same excess scar tissue removed. It's a painful annoyance, but good in the sense of healed repair work.
But nobody...nobody... should expect any specialist can guarantee or even say that there's little chance of further issues. They can only talk to the structure of things.
As someone who has done 2 ACL's and had countless surgeries, MRI's, consults -all with the big name AFL surgeons and with my doctor as well who is a 12 year head doctor at a large AFL club (and sat in on some of my surgeries) - I can tell you that doing your knee that way is a worse way than getting a knock or someone falling across your leg. The reason being that suspicions start to rise that there is some sort of natural laxity in the joint v a blunt force causing the injury ie unlucky.
And I use the word "suspicions" because surgeons ultimately can not tell. MRI's and scopes will only look at the structure of things. You can't test or investigate for full load stress through your knee in the operating theatre or in the surgeons office. Only the individual themselves can do that, and even then, it's got to be over time and with repetition.
Every surgeon or specialist will tell you they did a perfect job and that structurally everything looks great. But not one of them will guarantee that you won't do it again or even that you are of minimal risk of doing it again. In fact, just 12 months ago my current surgeon (guy who is seen as the man by AFL clubs currently) said the knee is very complex and vague in many respects. Even MRI's only pick up structurally complete evaluations about 80% of the time. I've been victim of that - endless MRI's that show nothing, only to have a scope that pulls out multiple bone and cartilage fragments.
The good news for Hotton though, is that he did not damage his MCL or meniscus. That's good. Also good (perhaps) is that his revision surgery was for removal of excess scar tissue which indicates solid healing. Again, I've had that same excess scar tissue removed. It's a painful annoyance, but good in the sense of healed repair work.
But nobody...nobody... should expect any specialist can guarantee or even say that there's little chance of further issues. They can only talk to the structure of things.
A point I’ve been stuck on for a while.
Havn't seen anyone this season come close to Shai’s draft highlights reel.
Had real good look at Bo Allan, getting strong Luke Shuey vibes
The way he moves, even his kicking, would be quite pleased with him at Pick 10 or 11
Has something we need bad, explosive pace
The way he moves, even his kicking, would be quite pleased with him at Pick 10 or 11
Has something we need bad, explosive pace
Is his kicking good enough? It's one thing to have ballistic pace & strength (he does look good there) but it's not much good if it's being turned over. Kicking skills are still paramount in this incarnation of the game. Be good to know his disposal efficiency..
kicking isn't great
But he is an 191 cm ballistic athlete, whose athletic profile may be the best in the draft pool, off the charts in 20 m, 2km and jumping
He has won a WAFL senior GF, as an 18 yr old is a genuine leader and proper competitor
Could play on the wing round 1 next year and have an impact
Really warming to him, and reckon if he gets to Pick10, we have to take him, rate him higher than Travaglia, be nice to get both actually
