2024 Draft Thread

[bengal tigers]

That's all fair and reasonable.

His aerobic capacity still has to be a question mark though.

Cos he hasn't been able to put in on the park, and for some athletes it's not just a matter of getting pre-seasons into them. Some guys just have limited ability to build up aerobic endurance, whilst others are genetic freaks. Generally the heavier set guys like Donuts can have issues.

That is what recruiters will weigh up. And they will no doubt have a lot of information to make that calculated decision.

Dont think he's as talented, but will he end up like similarly built players like Dusty, Petracca etc who started with little engines but were able to build it enough to play midfield.

Or will he be more like pick 1 Cam Rayner (6 years in and never had more than 15 possessions a year and finally making his mark as a forward) or Jake Stringer, who would be a start midfielder if got fit enough.

Even De Goey (who leysy originally likened him to) took til season 7 to get build his aerobic capacity enough to play midfield, but the wait was worth it.

He's an interesting one with potentially the highest ceiling and could see some clubs ranking him at 1. But it is a legit ? mark clubs will need comfort on when we're talking the very pointy end of the draft.

He has been in the main coates system for 3 years ,started when he was 15 ,was AA in the under 16's ,so yeah l guess they would have quite a bit of info on him .

Petracca had issues about his endurance before the draft,Rayner was always overrated ,and his best position was forward ,he wasn't that good as a mid .

Anyway l will stick to my beliefs ,and l think Lalor is the best player in the draft ,and other's can stick to the bubble blowers
Can you tell me who in the supposed top ten has better all round attributes than Lalor ,

 

[bengal tigers]

You don't get access to everyone, you can't pull in who ever you want.

No club would look at Langford, FOS and Jagga playing at Richmond as a shock of any sort or rearrange their rankings based on that.

And it's definitely not a match payment issue. The VFL is there to serve the AFL, I'm sure Yze, Toce and Hartley gave Morro a strategy of what they wanted to see, what roles they wanted to see them trialed in.

I had a quick look around to see if 17 year olds can be the 23rd man at VFL level ,,l can only find info that says 18/19.
If thats the case ,it could be a reason why Lalor hasn't played VFL

 

[eZyT]

Are you seriously suggesting that Richmond got young potential draft prospects to play for us the last few weeks in order to save match payments in the VFL ?

I don't think I need to be a footy manager for a VFL side to know that's ridiculous.

I made 4 points - your attacking the least likely.

Your acting as if the talent pathway isnt an abbatoir

Keeping meat supply up to The AFL.

Player agents are like real estate agents and clubs are like brothel owners.

Tigers wouldnt be different; they will make these kids promises they cant keep; theylle blow wind up their arse and look them in the eye and lie through their teeth to em.

Its a big, brutal business.

And your suggesting its all as it seems and with the best intentions.

We will sit down and tell 15 kids and their parents we intend to take them, and take 5 of them.

Thats partly because the list managers and recruiters are *smile*, and partly to obscure their intentions.

So your notion that you play VFL for Richmond because Richmond will select you,

And its a little entree to a wonderful world,

Is quite silly.

Naive even.

 

[eZyT]

I had a quick look around to see if 17 year olds can be the 23rd man at VFL level ,,l can only find info that says 18/19.
If thats the case ,it could be a reason why Lalor hasn't played VFL

Leo lombard played in a vfl premiership at 16.

North academy rules may be different.

 

[eZyT]

You don't get access to everyone, you can't pull in who ever you want.

No club would look at Langford, FOS and Jagga playing at Richmond as a shock of any sort or rearrange their rankings based on that.

And it's definitely not a match payment issue. The VFL is there to serve the AFL, I'm sure Yze, Toce and Hartley gave Morro a strategy of what they wanted to see, what roles they wanted to see them trialed in.

No doubt.

But playing for richmond VFL doesnt mean Richmond AFL wants to draft you,

Was my point.

I also made the point that player managers will play a part.

Player A's manager will have gone to school with someone in the system and wants some exposure and experience,

So Player A gets a game.

My experience with the VFL system is the AFL listed players are really well looked after, and the others are very expendable.

And, yes, this can and does translate to match payments

 

[eZyT]

He has been in the main coates system for 3 years ,started when he was 15 ,was AA in the under 16's ,so yeah l guess they would have quite a bit of info on him .

Petracca had issues about his endurance before the draft,Rayner was always overrated ,and his best position was forward ,he wasn't that good as a mid .

Anyway l will stick to my beliefs ,and l think Lalor is the best player in the draft ,and other's can stick to the bubble blowers
Can you tell me who in the supposed top ten has better all round attributes than Lalor ,

Love the commitment and i hope tigers take him and youre right.

 

[Redford]

I made 4 points - your attacking the least likely.

Your acting as if the talent pathway isnt an abbatoir

Keeping meat supply up to The AFL.

Player agents are like real estate agents and clubs are like brothel owners.

Tigers wouldnt be different; they will make these kids promises they cant keep; theylle blow wind up their arse and look them in the eye and lie through their teeth to em.

Its a big, brutal business.

And your suggesting its all as it seems and with the best intentions.

We will sit down and tell 15 kids and their parents we intend to take them, and take 5 of them.

Thats partly because the list managers and recruiters are *smile*, and partly to obscure their intentions.

So your notion that you play VFL for Richmond because Richmond will select you,

And its a little entree to a wonderful world,

Is quite silly.

Naive even.

Your insistence that Richmond is using these kids as some sort of "decoy" or for other nefarious reasons doesn't make sense. And certainly to reduce salary costs in the VFL it 110% doesn't.

As Scoop and Nobets also pointed out, we're just trying to get first hand access to a few kids that we might be able to, and are absolutely within scope of being drafted by us, to see them up closer in-house. See what roles they can or can't play. See how they react to certain things in an AFL-VFL environment. Nothing more than that.

Hardly think we're "blowing smoke up the arse" of the potential number 1 and 2 draft picks ! What's the point of that when they know that they're going to drafted anyway ? And we have the number 1 pick as well. Why do we need to play silly buggers, like you're suggesting, when we have the number 1 pick ?

And note, I never said that the guys we've been trialling are going to be drafted by us either.

Your conspiracy theories suggest a bad experience maybe ? One that isn't the norm perhaps, or at worst, would be confined to possible draftees that were on the fringe of being drafted into the AFL.

 

[yo_eddy]

Maybe we just wanted to have a look at a few kids eligible to play in our VFL team and who are probable high draft picks.

As Freud remarked, "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."

 

[eZyT]

Your insistence that Richmond is using these kids as some sort of "decoy" or for other nefarious reasons doesn't make sense.

The points i thought i made quite clearly were

1. Playing for Richmond VFL does not mean Richmond AFL want you to play for them, and that extended to

2. Its plausible we could give specifically josh smilie a game in our VFL when we have little intention to take him, in order to
Deliberately obscure our drafting intentions, which has quite obvious benefits compared to telegraphing our intentions to everyone.

To be quite clear, i never said we are using kids in our VFL as decoy,

I said if we played Smilie it could be a decoy.

If you wanna get down to brass tacks, rather than to and fro with a heap of bullcrap;

How about i give you 2-1 richmond dont take josh smilie with a top 10 pick, and you can have any amount you want?

That way, whoever is right at the nub of the matter, will have the $$$ to show for it, rather than just sitting on the couch feeling cyber-superior?

Im sure @spook or @Leysy Days would PM us a bsb and acc and hold the bet and settle after the draft?

 

[Tigerfan]

Pencil in number 1 team.
Now let’s draft some quick, competitive players that can kick. ( Think that covers everything)

I think we’ll be taking pick 2 into trade week

 

[eZyT]

Maybe we just wanted to have a look at a few kids eligible to play in our VFL team and who are probable high draft picks.

As Freud remarked, "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."

Indeed, if it walks like a duck, its mostly a duck.

But a poker player has quite some incentive to make 3 Aces, appear like a duck

Wouldnt you agree?

 

[Redford]

The points i thought i made quite clearly were

1. Playing for Richmond VFL does not mean Richmond AFL want you to play for them, and that extended to

2. Its plausible we could give specifically josh smilie a game in our VFL when we have little intention to take him, in order to
Deliberately obscure our drafting intentions, which has quite obvious benefits compared to telegraphing our intentions to everyone.

To be quite clear, i never said we are using kids in our VFL as decoy,

I said if we played Smilie it could be a decoy.

If you wanna get down to brass tacks, rather than to and fro with a heap of bullcrap;

How about i give you 2-1 richmond dont take josh smilie with a top 10 pick, and you can have any amount you want?

That way, whoever is right at the nub of the matter, will have the $$$ to show for it?

Im sure @spook or @Leysy Days would PM us a bsb and acc and hold the bet and settle after the draft?

I'll say it again for you, because clearly you can't read: nobody is saying they're going to be picked by us, just that they're in scope so if you can get access to see them in-house, then do it.

All this other crap about blowing smoke up peoples arses and decoys and offsetting VFL match payments and such is fanciful.

But hey, if you think Richmond is into that sort of thing - even when we hold the trump cards and it isnt necessary to do so - then Richmond is in a very very bad place and has gone 180 degrees in the opposite direction to how they normally operate.

 

[eZyT]

And note, I never said that the guys we've been trialling are going to be drafted by us either.

We havent dropped off Smillie. We tried to get him to play in our VFL side last Sunday

Its pretty implied?

Anyway, you gonna take the 2's? Pretty fanciful odds?

Maybe buy yourself a big Pavlova with passionfruit syrup with the spoils?

 

[Redford]

Its pretty implied?

Anyway, you gonna take the 2's?

Maybe buy yourself a big Pavlova with passionfruit syrup with the spoils?

Oh implied ! Hah hah hah hah...you're doing other peoples thinking for them ? Magnificent.

What have I - and others said ? Nobody knows who we are taking be it FOS, Smillie, Jagga who ever and that's why we're trialling them. Otherwise all this covert nefarious stuff is just silly.

And therefore stuff about having a bet on Smillie is equally as silly - particularly if someone took Smillie before us.

 

[eZyT]

And therefore stuff about having a bet on Smillie is equally as silly - particularly if someone took Smillie before us.

Didnt think youde have the stones.

Could this be the first time ever in an exchange with Redford i have the last word?

 

[Redford]

Didnt think youde have the stones.

Could this be the first time ever in an exchange with Redford i have the last word?

The stones hah hah hah. What the stones to bet on something I have no idea about - and you don't either other than to spew forth that Richmond is acting underhanded ? Yeah that'd make sense. Give me a break. Supporting your silliness.

Now answer my question about your personal experience and disclose to everyone in here why you're so disaffected by the draft, Victorians etc etc etc.

 

[eZyT]

The stones hah hah hah. What the stones to bet on something I have no idea about - and you don't either other than to spew forth that Richmond is acting underhanded ? Yeah that'd make sense. Give me a break. Supporting your silliness.

Now answer my question about your personal experience and disclose to everyone in here why you're so disaffected by the draft, Victorians etc etc etc.

Ill give you 3's

 

[Redford]

Ill give you 3's

Cmon. Who's got the stones now ?

Answer the question. Explain to everyone.

 

[FitenFitenWin]

Which of the top rated players has Cotch like leadership? I want him.

 

[eZyT]

Cmon. Who's got the stones now ?

Answer the question. Explain to everyone.

I reckon most blokes in here would be au fait

With the colloquial

'Hasnt got the stones'?