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2024 Draft Thread
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They both look quick to me. Berry's pace really stood out last week V Allies live at the game.
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TigerGroove
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I'd go with this for my top 3:
1. Jagga
2. Draper
3. O'Sullivan (I'm holding until I see another month, however 7 touches in a massive game like that surely brings him with the pack now)
what would yours be??
It's a blanket at the top. I could debate any of the next group ahead of these guys which include Travaglia, Trainor, Ashcroft, Langford, Lombard, Lalor, Berry & Hynes, Sims, Allan etc.
Couple of guys I like lower down the order:
- Jaxon Artemis (I love the pace / skill combination as more of a developmental player)
- Kayle Gerryn (massive unit but is a great athlete and didnt mind his work up fwd)
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TigerGroove
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Same here, the idea of losing too much experience just sets you back and back, especially since I love Rioli and he's been incredible for our club on and off.
However we might have a rare chance to really load up here if we get the two firsts.
Other thing as well is that if we were to go poorly next year, I'm very big on Dyson Sharp for 2025 draft. Already playing SANFL reserves and showed plenty in the champs
gapped the field for CP yesterday. he got 16.
next best was Josh 'paddy Cripps' Smilie and Lindsay on 10. big Langford on 9.
outside? no physicality? hahahahahahahahahahahah
went at 84% DE yesterday.
for a reference point, Sam Lalor went at 62%.
I think they measure disposal efficiency when a kick or a handball end up in a teammates hands
jagga also lead the way for inside 50's and was 3rd behind Lindsay and Travaglia for metres gained.
and all that in what was widely regarded as one of the best, hottest, u18 games in memory.
so we can put the 'avoid physicality', 'possessions dont damage' and 'turnover merchant' all to bed to I reckon
hmmmmmm.
appreciate your insights but suggest you go quietly into the night on Jagga,
before he dominates VFL in a tiger jumper the rest of this month
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Re the Tsatas concerns - fair question.
But there are big differences for leysy. Firstly the contested possession numbers.
At the state champs the respective ratio's were:
Tsatas - 27% contested
Jagga - 42% contested
Massive difference. Mick wins his own ball. In fact he's showing he's probably the undisputed best contested ball and clearance player of his year. Tsatas had some question marks on his contested work on PRE before his draft for that reason.
You seem to have questioned his physical stuff a bit BT. It doesnt mean everything, but His old man was a champion country footballer who was as tough as nails, his grandfather Ricky from all reports was tougher again. Leysy's old man played with and against him and reckons he's as tough and as good a footballer of his era on the North West Coast behind Tasmania's greatest - Doc Baldock.
In short, from when he had nappies he's been taught to play footy the right way. Hard and tough, you see ball you win it - despite his frame.
Working theory - Reckon, it is easy, for some of these guys well exposed at the top, for pundits including clubs themselves, to pick them apart too much and focus on what they can't do, what weaknesses they have - And not the elite strengths. Reckon that might be happening a bit here for those that are cool on him.
In Mick's case (despite Ezy's posts ha) he aint perfect. He does lack depth in his kicking and he does have slight frame.
But he is also absolutely elite at reading the ball, his cleanliness, his hands, his agility and what Leysy loves most - He knows exactly what he's doing with the ball before he gets it - And then executes. He's thinking ahead of everyone else.
It's why he has that Nick Daicos trait of winning so many contested possessions without anyyone really noticing. He turns contested situations for his team into clean outside ball better and faster than anyone.
Also dont really have a knock on his kicking (outside its depth). Yes he doesnt always go forwards (though he did have 425m gained yesterday), but generally always uses it to the best advantage of his team. But yes his hands are better.
Been in Micks corner all along, but He's not a nailed on number one on Leysy's list yet - For whatever that's worth (not much). Reckon still a bit to play out between FoS, Sid and Mick yet.
Anyway - end of rant ha!
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Haha. He was not at the top end for SI.
9 Langford
8 Lindsay
7 J.Whitlock, Armstrong
6 Moraes, Matofai-Forbes, Day-Wicks, Berry
5 Smith, Reid, Gross
I'll own my bullishness.
but you are gouging the barrel for knocks.
He kicks deeper than Cotchy.
and, while he's no Will Gould, hes not Nick 'the *smile*' Watson either.
at 20yo, he'll be 182/82
and hopefully captain of RFC.
but, the debate is great.
its a stunning consolation prize to be in the frame to pick some ripping kids from a super draft.
can't wait to see our Jagga play VFL.
Yeah dunno what else Smith can do. BOG in the midfield, where the best players play, in the best junior champs game I've ever seen. So much class, smarts, vision, damage and second efforts. As I've said, I was a mild sceptic, happy to get him but preferred others. Not anymore. Most of his possessions were eye catching, a few were off the charts champagne city.
As for the light frame, I'm supremely confident it won't matter for the type of player he is. He'll get as hardened as he need to. He's one of those strong skinny rangey types you can't hurt. The fact he got cleaned up a couple of times yesterday by bigger players, and bounced straight up and kept playing well, is a tick not a cross.
Having said that, I'm glad I'm not making the call. Right now I'd be rapt if we got Jagga, FOS or Draper at no. 1.
Check this out. Its all there really. The extractions out of the packs at 2 and 3.2 minutes are doozies. And his kicking is not clinton king, a couple of long, low and accurate 45m passes in there. Which when squared with the pros, isn't much of a con.
As for the light frame, I'm supremely confident it won't matter for the type of player he is. He'll get as hardened as he need to. He's one of those strong skinny rangey types you can't hurt. The fact he got cleaned up a couple of times yesterday by bigger players, and bounced straight up and kept playing well, is a tick not a cross.
Having said that, I'm glad I'm not making the call. Right now I'd be rapt if we got Jagga, FOS or Draper at no. 1.
Check this out. Its all there really. The extractions out of the packs at 2 and 3.2 minutes are doozies. And his kicking is not clinton king, a couple of long, low and accurate 45m passes in there. Which when squared with the pros, isn't much of a con.
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there's a lot of refutation bias going on this kid.
if it waddles and quacks and has a bill,
its a duck
Not at all. I've said all along I like him, even more after yesterday. But scoreboard impact is a legit question when you're nitpicking for pick 1.
With respect, the question was comparing the two's physicality,
and that data clearly shows
it wasn't a fair question.
it was, by the numbers,
a really stupid question.
we've all asked 'em
fair,
and yes try get it all at No.1.
but it'd be easier to win a cox plate with a unicorn, than find a flawless footballer.
dusty couldnt catch.
Great summary Leysy. I particularly like this bit, seems Smith has similar traits to ND.
For a "soft" player Daicos wins a stack of CP. Daicos knows how to protect himself and win a free kick. It ain't no crime. He doesn't need to have a Cotchin like attack on the ball because he reads it so well and has the hands, speed and agility to avoid contact. And with the way the game is going on contact/tackling these traits of clean hands/speed and agility will continue to demand a premium.
