Or it could be more like the San Andreas Fault, where future premierships go to die.
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2023 mid-season rookie draft
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They don't continually pop up. They occasionally pop up. Decent ones that is.
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So, based on these two new players, who do we all think may be closer to getting their papers stamped?
Just to clarify, if our recruiters don't think Buller has 'AFL traits' we should have recruited him anyway cos he is 2mtrs tall and the media experts treated him highly?
I hope our recruiters are right because Sydney grabbed him with their next pick.
I’d rather fail picking a 2 metre player myself than a small forward because the potential upside to getting it right is massive.
I don't disagree, but personally I dont think we should recruit someone just cos they're tall and cos we are worried about being wrong.
And personally, cos I haven't seen these guys play, I don't tend to bag the recruiters for the choices they make, but maybe that's just me.
Agree re not bagging the recruiters.
But fair enough to feel disappointed because one has convictions in our list deficiencies and desperate to find our next key forward.
Desperation can lead to mistakes.
But desperate we are. By our own making
To me a lot of the criticism is just based on frustration and wishful thinking. if our recruiters thought the KPFs on offer were good enough we would have drafted one.
They might be wrong. But I'm not dropping the lip based on some long bow based on what whatever his name AFL draft guy thinks. The odds of getting any sort of decent player in the MSD are long, the odds of getting a KPF are extremely long,
They might be wrong. But I'm not dropping the lip based on some long bow based on what whatever his name AFL draft guy thinks. The odds of getting any sort of decent player in the MSD are long, the odds of getting a KPF are extremely long,
I think everyone knows we have a big deficiency in the tall forward area of our list. Thats face, but we shouldn't be picking a player thats just tall for the sake of it. Much like you say that MC might not impact this year, who's to say either of Buller or even Hunter would have even played this year??
We have no idea what the club has in its plans, maybe they already have players lined up at the end of the year, we don't know that. Lets say they know we have HH coming in and maybe another tall, why then just get someone because they are tall but where they rate another player as a better option?
I haven't seen these players in the flesh so I'd prefer to trust the club and that they know what they are doing but you seem to have a different thought pattern and want to burn the joint down.
Just love the way you avoid the substantive arguments posted in my response to yours to this? But ... just so reductive, shall we say.
But, just to clarify:
- I disagree with our recruiters and have for quite some time. Their obsessive selection of smalls - predominantly flankers and/or SFs is sending us to the bottom, while we persist in being one of the poorest marking (and I'm not talking about uncontested chest marks) and kicking sides in the comp
- I don't take all that much notice of AFL media. FWIW, and I'm sick of having to keep repeating it, the vision of Buller and Coulthard both show appealing traits. However, Buller has done far more at WAFL level that MC has at SANFL.
- most of all IMO, another capable KPF (if possible) is a far higher priority than another SF which we have a stock of, some of whom have shown potential at AFL - Clarke, Cumbo. MRJ, Mansell
- Which other KPF players have done so? Ryan will be next No.1 ruck, not a career KPF.
Finally, I present my own opinion, which you seem to struggle with; just one of the points you chose to skip.
Where do I sign up? JVR without a doubt. Just for starters, he's playing. At AFL. Brown never. Who knows if will ever make it. For a young KPF, JVR showing good signs. Doesn't mean he's going to be the next Carey. Only what I said.
And if we had JVR, instead of GooDeez, we would have won at least a couple of more games in '23. Maybe even in the 8. No brainer for me. We have a heap of flankers. Just can't comprehend why we let Markov go. Could have re-listed him too. You can never have enough, you know. But, it's all right.
We just got another 2.
Whole different era. Unprofessional days when few players had the fitness or speed to run with or catch him. But, yes, loved him. Wonderful indigenous player. So fast, but great high mark and good kick, endurance. Had the lot.
But these days, moden pros are fitter and faster. He would get caught and tackled more.
So what happened to MM?
Can you see Coulthard at 69kgs matched up on a big, modern HBF like, say, Maynard these days? He would be at risk of committing manslaughter.
I dropped my lip when we kept recruiting speedie forwards back in 2015 or 2016 when everyone was crying out for more support for Jack - I couldn’t believe we kept picking small players like Baker.
We then went on and revolutionised the game and won some silverware so what do I know.
Don’t agree with this. We had Bradtke train with our entire squad for a significant part of the pre-season. This is first hand knowledge of how he trained, interacted with teammates, took coaching feedback etc. This is far more valuable than having a recruiter watch a few games of a lower level competition, interview family and coaches and try to forecast the players future output in an AFL environment.
I would have taken Johnson over JVR and still would but it doesn’t matter one bit. Bratke could play for the rest of the year and make Buller calls moot.
