Sure and Hill might be one of the fastest AFL players. [Is MC that fast? Easy to look quick in SANFL 2nds]. But taken in 2018 draft by GWS.
So, if we concede he is succeeding now at the Skunks who are top team, it has taken him about 5 years.
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So, if we concede he is succeeding now at the Skunks who are top team, it has taken him about 5 years.
Teal is 19 right? I’d be wary of reading too much into an overager beating up on younger opponents. A year is a long time at that age.
Also, we had a good look at Teal during the pre-season and during his stints with our VFL side this year and still went with Trezise. I think that says a lot.
Mere speculation. So he'd see the Tigers as definitely a more likely chance of success than any of the 14 teams above us who may be interested and have the list/$$ space, starting with GCS whom I think he recently expressed loyalty to? The fact is most FAs stay at their current club. See e.g. Broad.
Same for Himma. He's coming to us ... just because he's Hopper's mate? Won't bother even running it by his manager?
How do we look to the rest of the AFL world, objectively? On the rise or demise? Old saying, 'A bird in the hand ...'
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That's a fair comment but perhaps counterbalanced by the fact Teal has faced multiple injury setbacks and has only had 4 VFL matches to show his wares. From a physical perspective I don't think it's a case of man beating up on boys & the fact he looked better than Szybkowski indicates there might be some potential as a midfielder at the highest level. In any case, he needs to be kept on the VFL roster & I daresay he needs to played as a midfielder to get some handle on his ceiling.
Yes, and:
- Mitch Lewis - #76, 2016 National Draft + Nick Larkey - #73, 2016 National Draft
Both doing the job, especially ML, for two of the worst performing AFL sides. Watch Lewis turn into a superstar as the Dorks rise up the ladder.
Sure that's the ND, but taken very late, so capable KPFs can be found. And that's just exercising a bit of prior knowledge without a heap of research and searches to discover more possibles. Some other PRE experts might know of many others.
Can be found if your LM is good enough. I'm not aiming an attack on our LM, but questions need to be asked. Just saying.
Yes, I'd say Clarke & Co's definite No.1 pick if not taken. Freo's too most likely.
Good point. He's 22 so whilst light, it doesn't mean he doesn't have a body that wouldn't suit AFL and hold up against other men.
Sure, but it's taken him 5 years. So we have definitely committed to the rebuild? ... But Lynch, Martin, Taranto, Hopper, Bolton, Balta, Ryan ... et al.
I'm not sure they can all wait that long.
I reckon GWS where hoping to nab 204cm ruckman Clay Tucker but Hawks grabbed him at pick 3 so they chose not to participate and why would they when they continually get multiple first round picks in the National draft .
Possibly another AFL myth, or at least a generalistion that many fall for - and I used to. For example:
- Mitch Lewis - #76, 2016 National Draft + Nick Larkey - #73, 2016 National Draft
Both doing the job, especially ML, for two of the worst performing AFL sides. Watch Lewis turn into a superstar as the Dorks rise up the ladder.
Sure that's the ND, but taken very late, so capable KPFs can be found. And that's just exercising a bit of prior knowledge without a heap of research and searches to discover more possibles. Some other PRE experts might know of many others.
Can be found if your LM is good enough.
Who are you talking about? Bobby Hill? Bobby Hill is 23 and listed at 73kg. That doesn't mean that Coulthard will take 5 years to be ready. He's been playing against men. His body might be a little light, but I reckon he will be fine. I doubt we've drafted him with teh expectation that he debuts when he turns 27!
Do you have stats for how many talls drafted after 60 in the ND or in the rookie / MSD drafts etc that make it? Not saying you are wrong, but calling out the 2 that make it and not stating what the probabilities are for a quality forward to come in is acting like Zips on here.
Its bloody hard to find those talls that deep in the draft, there are many of other clubs (just we have) that have tried and failed with picks in that range. It doesn't mean it doesn't happen (it clearly does) but you make it sound so easy when its not.
All due respect but Teal hasn’t even really broken into our VFL team.
He may have some elite traits but Tresize has the wood on him because he’s been performing really well and provides great flexibility. Mathew Clarke points out that he could actually play wing which is a definite need moving forward and I’d take him over a player like Ralphsmith on any one on one situation in the air or on the ground from what I’ve seen.
It's a needle in a haystack, Larkey was a great pick but I'd also argue he was best placed to make it being in a wooden spoon team with some sort of guaranteed continuity. Mitchell Lewis fits the template perfectly, 199cm with the ability to pinch hit in the ruck, the most recent hits in Chol (200cm), Westhoff (199cm), Larkey (198cm), Blicavs (204cm), Mason Cox (204cm), Marshall (204cm) & Ladhams (202cm) were all effectively ruck/forwards. Some have become full time rucks like Marshall & Ladhams, some like Larkey have been permanently moved to the forward line & some like Cox get shuffled around depending on team balance. If you want to grab a tall forward then best to take a player with structural flexibility. These types continually pop up in the rookie draft, last year it was Verrall & I think he would have suited our structure to a tee.
Anyone can pull out 1 or 2 finds, but there is 1 find for every tall picked by all.clubs from probably 10,20 ,picks,we have already picked 2 speculation talls bradke,Bauer.
Recruiters generally look at prospective players like bully does they analysis strengths,weaknesses, kicking ability,to within a inch of their lives,It's a credit to Richmond that when this kid was looked at first last year, he wasn't in the sanfl,he was playing elsewhere and that his best performance came in only his 3rd senior game ever after our interest.
If you know anything about my posts on PRE, you would know I have never claimed, nor would ever, to be a stats guru. [ This is where I miss LTRTR so much because I'd rely on him and he'd come back with the data ... and fast, He was just brilliant and such a treasure on here].
You are similarly good with stats I think. But I don't have to be. I go on my perceptions and gut instincts ... and frankly my guts have been churning at what I have seen from the team I love in it's gradual atrophy since 2020.
The point is my 2 examples go some way to disprove these claims, as I say, 'another AFL myth, or at least a generalistion.' Include Pods, Mihocek, A. Johnston, Riccardi (35 games), and there's more but that's just off the top of my head. So there's many more than 2 that have succeeded, and surprised that you, as a stats man, need me to point that out to you. I will happily come back with more as I think of them from my head later too if you like.
It's insulting to be likened with Zips, whose posts are often just laughable, couldn't even see the likely future of Tim English a couple of years back, now rated No. 1 AFL ruck, that I jokingly jossed with him about. And you intend to be patronising and deprecating ... to both of us.
You see, I don't go on or trust data like you. I base my views on my knowledge, close watching and gut instincts from watching footy since I was a kid, relishing the Tigers great rise from the doldrums to start to collect 8 flags in my lifetime from 1967.
Sure, it's all bloody hard: from playing the game, winning, and selecting players. It's all a risk. There's no guarantee that any selection is a winner. That MC will succeed any more than Jack Buller. But some questions for you?
Do you think MC is going to come in and make an immediate impact with that body? Do you think that another SF was definitely the highest priority for RFC at present? No others in waiting? What about the KPF stocks? This season's over. Neither Lynch or Gibcus will make any difference to us missing finals. But, we have Bauer and Bradtke in VFL for no AFL games yet. But we saw fit to take Bradtke as Swans reject. They saw fit to take Buller. So we'll wait for them to reject him?
It will take MC years to step up. I've already said he has good traits. But who will be there to bring the ball to ground for him and our next swarm of SFs in 3 years time ... besides Ryan maybe?
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And have refused to play the 2Bs at AFL level. MC is years away. We need a JR replacement now. Yet we put Bradtke on our list for this year; a Swans reject. Who took Buller I wonder?
Peddling further myths. Check out Bullus' recent posts and my reply to Posh. How many late pick SFs also fail for relative comparison? All picks are risky ... with no certainties. It's a matter of taking calculated risks ... and what your team urgently needs most.
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And Bully, without going to check (sorry, tired as have been on posting too long) you gave your approval to Buller as possibly fitting this profile? Virtually 2m tall, good weight for 22 year old, showing mobility and ability to go into the ruck? Ryan still developing into future No.1 ruck/forward.
Tom Lynch may only have 2 years left too. Injury impact and risks.
So you believe a 69kg waif will be ready to transform our current depressing fall from glory for AFL level immediately or next year?
As well as a very slight size, as DA pointed out, a very small sample size in actual games. He hasn't even played that many games. I am not even clear if he's played only SANFL seconds?
But you are missing my contention. It's not about damning MC - I can see the positive traits we love from that tiny sample size and highlights vision - my argument was for Buller first pick, based upon needs and list deficiencies, future list investment. So we really needed another SF that much more? I would have been delighted with Buller, then MC or Tresize. Checks my prior posts - but I predicted we didn't want to miss on Tresize.
Besides, with our current list, who will bring the ball to ground for MC (or any top SFs) even if he becomes a star this year. No Lynch, no Gibcus, JR smashed, Ryan too light, no-one else worthy?
