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2023 mid-season rookie draft

Buller nominated an 18 month contract.
Ok, I didn't know that. So it's up to them? The rookies can dictate what contract they will accept? :ROFLMAO:
Not many new employees get that right in my experience! What a laugh.

So what, work around it. What are Bradtke and Bauer's contracts? Obviously if we took Buller, you compare them at VFL level or, would you believe at AFL level - with no Lynch, no Gibcus and old man, crippled JR8. With a team full of very average kickers who have never learnt much else but to kick it long and high deep into our FL ... as if Lynch was still there, hiding in a pocket. So try them out. [You are also talking about a club that has constantly failed to select a KPF who has the attributes, heart and commitment to succeed at the level, and has kept them on the list far too beyond that becoming apparent. Do these names ring a bell - Elton, McBean and others?].

Then you cut the KPFs who cannot progress, saving $$ to transfer over to the one (hopefully) who looks most promising.

Of course, there's the old furphy about bringing the ball to ground for our swarm of deadly SFs to prey upon and score a heap of goals that way. But the club's arrogant, feelgood vibe let Butler and Higgins walk out, lost Castagna's interest and has still recruited a cab rank of SFs who are either all novices not able to step up to the level, or LTIs.

If you are enjoying watching the inept performances of our once great team who cannot win a close game for 2/3 years now, are completely deficient up forward, who can only find strong players via FAs from other clubs, who cannot beat Norf or the Suns, even lost that great record 13ws to the Bummers,, who are loaded up with guys who can hardly kick or mark, then keep on enjoying it!!

At least a genuine 2m tall KPF might provide a target and avoid another cinch intercept mark.
 
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I don’t care what draft it is, good foot skills should be an absolute pre-requisite.
And it was once for us. Everyone has forgotten that in his early days, Dimma came out and said that this was a non-negotiable for recruiting our players. Then, of course, he and ACs went away and developed our chaos/high speed/pressure/turnover style of football ... for great effect and success. And most other teams have finally followed, adopting key elements, especially high speed ball movement/pressure/turnovers, although it took some years to catch on.
Now the Shocking and AFL have changed the game with 666 and Stand rules. It's beyond useless to *smile* about it. We have to deal with it. So other teams have adopted these highly successful facets of our game, but already had, or drafted/recruited high quality kicking and/or marking players.
This is exactly what McRae has innovated at the Skunks and they're top team.

Even a team like the Bummers just waltzed the ball up and down the field in easy transition due to their kicking skills and running into spaces. Meanwhile we cling to a 'bomb it deep and bring the ball to ground' strategy that will not work against most teams any more, especially with one remaining KPF who is old and worn out.
 
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Ok, I didn't know that. So it's up to them? The rookies can dictate what contract they will accept? :ROFLMAO:
Not many new employees get that right in my experience! What a laugh.

So what, work around it. What are Bradtke and Bauer's contracts? Obviously if we took Buller, you compare them at VFL level or, would you believe at AFL level - with no Lynch, no Gibcus and old man, crippled JR8. With a team full of very average kickers who have never learnt much else but to kick it long and high deep into our FL ... as if Lynch was still there, hiding in a pocket. So try them out. [You are also talking about a club that has constantly failed to select a KPF who has the attributes, heart and commitment to succeed at the level, and has kept them on the list far too beyond that becoming apparent. Do these names ring a bell - Elton, McBean and others?].

Then you cut the KPFs who cannot progress, saving $$ to transfer over to the one (hopefully) who looks most promising.

Of course, there's the old furphy about bringing the ball to ground for our swarm of deadly SFs to prey upon and score a heap of goals that way. But the club's arrogant, feelgood vibe let Butler and Higgins walk out, lost Castagna's interest and has still recruited a cab rank of SFs who are either all novices not able to step up to the level, or LTIs.

If you are enjoying watching the inept performances of our once great team who cannot win a close game for 2.3 years now, are completely deficient up forward, who can only find strong players via FAs from other clubs, who cannot beat Norf or the Suns, who are loaded up with guys who can hardly kick or mark, then keep on enjoying it!!

At least a genuine 2m tall KPF might provide a target and avoid another cinch intercept mark.
Bauer also nominated 18mth contract
Agree we shouldve gone for a 2m tall forward
 
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I don't mind the Coulthard pick, it's playing the percentages, I think having depth alongside Seth Campbell has been good use of the rookie draft. Small forward aces can pop up from time to time, I also think Clarke did well with Stengle so he has some form in this area. I reckon there's more chance you strike an AA quality player by going down this path than any other position. A player the calibre of Charlie Cameron or Eddie Betts always possible.
Sure, Clarke and co. have done great with Stengle and Stack. Before that we had Butler, Higgins and Castagna. What do you notice though?

All the other newbies - too young, too inexperienced, unfit or injured - but we have plenty. It's still a myth that needed to recruit another SF as a high priority. We have a stockpile, but read back again.

At 175 and 69kg, 'starring' in a mere handful of SANFL seconds (?) games, Coullthard is probably 2/3 years way from standing up to AFL level pressure.
 
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The GWS pass at pick 5 was interesting. Did the guy they wanted get taken or were they never going to participate?
 
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In the last couple of weeks watching the games live I would say that in our forward half the two glaring weaknesses are the lack of a competitive tall and the lack of a crumbing small forward.

When the ball comes to ground we are not dangerous at all, we are slow and crying out for a good crumbing forward. Whether Coulthard is the answer, or we will be better with Moju back or maybe Campbell when he is fit, I have no idea.

But we really need a crumbing small forward
I like your posts, Sin but did you read my reply to DA's post just above. It's a myth that we lack SFs, aside from the ones we just let slip through our fingers ... from hubris.
It's just that they're all too young and inexperienced, so not ready or, of course, injured. See:

Judson Clarke, Steeley Green and Seth Campbell?
Chopped liver?
Along with MRJ, Mansell and Cumberland (Cumbo tallest at 183cm).
 
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Well there you go. Cheers Rod, stand corrected - read in another article he was 18 months (like quite a few others) but you would assume AFL site has it correct.
So wrong again ... and I had to waste my time writing a lengthy response! :(
 
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Small body of work.
Wonder how long they’ve been watching him and who flagged him for us? Perhaps it was Shane Edwards?
I’m still stunned by this selection




Measuring in at just 176cm and 69kg, Coulthard booted a match-defining four goals in the challenging conditions at X Convenience Oval.

It marks a stunning, sudden rise for the First Nations goalsneak, who only played six games for Port Noarlunga last year and five Reserves games for South Adelaide in 2021
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Yep, to go with the very small body! Good traits - but years away from making an impact at AFL level most likely - if he can make it at all, at a far higher level than he has ever played at.
At 69kg, he will need bodyguards to avoid getting smashed at VFL training.
 
Sure, Clarke and co. have done great with Stengle and Stack. Before that we had Butler, Higgins and Castagna. What do you notice though?

All the other newbies - too young, too inexperienced, unfit or injured - but we have plenty. It's still a myth that needed to recruit another SF as a high priority. We have a stockpile, but read back again.

At 175 and 69kg, 'starring' in a mere handful of SANFL seconds (?) games, Coullthard is probably 2/3 years way from standing up to AFL level pressure.
This is the rookie draft though, it's tough to get any AFL standard player let alone a key position forward or well rounded midfielder. If I'm to be critical it's the Trezise versus Teal decision, the fact Trezise has performed best on a back flank just adds another player vying for one spot on the list. If we are to assume Dan Rioli & Jayden Short have those slots covered then there's really only one spot available & queue the length of Flemington straight. Coulthard has tricks, he's a clean footballer and he brings something to the table that has been absent since Butler, Higgins, Stengle & Castagna left the building. Whether or not he's up to the task remains to be seen but he's the right type to be targeting with these junk picks.
 
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Yep, to go with the very small body! Good traits - but years away from making an impact at AFL level most likely - if he can make it at all, at a far higher level than he has ever played at.
At 69kg, he will need bodyguards to avoid getting smashed at VFL training.
Michael Mitchell was only 172cm 66kg ,he wasn't a bad player.
 
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Sizing up Teal & Trezise I would have Teal's kicking slightly ahead, I also think there's a bit more multi-position potential there. Not sure how they split those two but I'll keep an open mind. I still want Teal to continue with our VFL program, still time to make the grade.
Read somewhere that Teals's main issue was his leg speed and inability to play taller than his height (which i dont think is the case from footage thats been available) But the leg speed could be a concern for a running back
 
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It is funny all the comments about who we should have taken based on such little knowledge.
I wonder how many on here have actually seen any of the talls play? or Coulthard? live, not just a highlight video on AFL.com. but yet as always certain people know better than the professionals.
Really? Maybe we base some of our knowledge on having watched footy closely all our lives virtually, following our beloved RFC and other teams?
Maybe we are affected by watching a once great team unable to win even just one of the last 12 close (<6pts) games over last 2/3 years against anyone?
Maybe it's knowledge from watching our players butcher the ball continually: unable to find or hit a target I50, so just bombing it deep as if we still have a combo of Lynch, JR, Balmy, Richo, Roach, Hart and Ricky McClean just waiting to clutch it in the goal-square!

Sure, no doubt most of us haven't seen these guys play live. Nor you I'd say. Do you know Matty Clarke has done so? Very likely not IMO. Most likely he's going on info from local spotters in SA/WA. Fine, but what are they are told about our priorities by Clarke? Any needs, or best available, long (cheap) miracle shots?

Yes, we rely on the footage posted. What else do you expect, or do you fly all around the country to watch prospects live? You'd have to time it well to get an in-depth picture of Coulthard because he's played so few actual games that he needed last week's to even qualify for the MSD. Still not sure if he's even played SANFL or just 2nds.

The point is, Clarke is going on others' reports and some footage too most likely, although should have far more knowledge and insight than us.

So, just regale us with his great successes since becoming our LM while you're at it (not FAs - that's Blair's job). Was Clarke involved in choosing Bradtke for our list ? Where did he find him? Where has Buller gone?

We might know our football well enough ... at least to be entitled to express an opinion without being patronised.
 
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it will fix our shortage of fasting running forward players when MJ is not available. can see him and MJ in the side together later this year.
Come back in another 2 years by the time you see an AFL level player, if at all. If he's still on the list. MRJ still a year or two away.
That's also if they are fit to play and not on the LTI, given our injury recent management history.
 
Read somewhere that Teals's main issue was his leg speed and inability to play taller than his height (which i dont think is the case from footage thats been available) But the leg speed could be a concern for a running back
From the Young Guns game none of those flaws were apparent, Teal has elite agility, he can change direction and buy himself time, he also clunked three contested grabs in that game and also won clearances in the centre square, for a first hit out as a midfielder he was impressive. If I go over my notes from previous years a player like Bont (3.14sec/20m) could have been passed off as being too slow, this wasn't evident on the park however, he was probably one of the best prospects for metres gained and has clearly justified his top 5 billing.
 
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From the Young Guns game none of those flaws were apparent, Teal has elite agility, he can change direction and buy himself time, he also clunked three contested grabs in that game and also won clearances in the centre square, for a first hit out as a midfielder he was impressive. If I go over my notes from previous years a player like Bont (3.14sec/20m) could have been passed off as being too slow, this wasn't evident on the park however, he was probably one of the best prospects for metres gained and has clearly justified his top 5 billing.
I personally would have thought he would have been the choice from the 2 but clearly the club see's other things during training that tipped the scales against teal.

Oh well we shall see if they got this right
 
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