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2021 Draft Thread

8 months and 444 pages on who we finally pick comes to a close tonight.
Great reading about all the kids.
But only time will prove the real winners tonight
 
8 months and 444 pages on who we finally pick comes to a close tonight.
Great reading about all the kids.
But only time will prove the real winners tonight
And by March 2022, 444 pages on whether those kids are duds or superstars in the making and whether the recruiting team got it right.
 
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HERALD SUN​

Prospects in the mix at every club and the latest whispers​

The AFL Draft is only hours away. What is the last minute buzz? Check out our Q&A for all the latest news about what your club is planning.

9. Richmond

Josh Gibcus (GWV Rebels)

Key defender, 196cm 87kg

Things might play out differently if the Dockers opt for a key forward, but Josh Gibcus may be too good to resist if Ward and Hobbs are off the board when the Tigers are up. The intercept defender reads the play extremely well and has the athletic make-up to play on the key-forward monsters, like the King twins, bursting on the scene.

IN THE MIX: A midfielder may be the first-choice for the Tigers, with Hobbs and Ward set to be snapped up if they get to Richmond’s selection. Jye Amiss is another player in consideration for the Tigers, who they have done their work on. A live trade between Adelaide and Richmond is one to watch on the first night.

So if we did trade with Adelaide , would that mean we really want Rachelle or Ward ?
 
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On the flip side, I haven't bought into the mids obsession.
When it's a midfielders' draft, and you desperately need midfielders, especially of a certain type, and there's one on the board, I don't reckon it's the time to get cute (my greatest fear :mhihi )
if we dont grab a couple of likely talls every year for the next 3 years,
Yeah, but it's gotta be the right talls. We have back up in the key defensive posts but don't, for example, have much in the way of key forward back ups. That's why I reckon Gibcus is all wrong from a list management perspective. Surely Miller, for one, would have been sent packing by now if he wasn't considered a promising back up? But I have wondered if the plan is to send Balta forward or into a swingman / utility role next season. In that case, things clearly change and the case for a Gibcus type makes more sense.
Understand where your coming from N8 , however I believe purely from reading bits and pieces , there’s only a few potential elite footballers in this draft and ” Gibbo” is one of them , Hobbs isn’t , IMHO when weve got a rare top 10 pick we need to go best available and Gibcus at this point appears the best in his position that should be available . We’ve got potential in all areas of the ground , however we don’t havea lot of proven quality “ yet” after our mighty starting 22 . Again this is a massive draft for our attack on more Premierships , it’s huge that we find a couple of A Graders
That's all fair, Mr B. I don't know the kids at all, so I'm only really looking at things through a list management lens.

That said, I will say that I don't reckon the likes of Crouch, Greenwood, Dunkley, Guthrie and Lyons are elite, but they were all part of sides that smashed us in contested possession and won games for their team. I don't see role players like those guys on our list, except for perhaps Prestia.
I am not sure drafting an 18 year old inside mid is going to change your immediate prospects
That's fair. But given we didn't look twice at proven ball winners like Dunstan, Greenwood, Mitchell or Hewett, my guess is we're going to the draft for inside mids.
I'm just not sure about the quality of the youngsters coming behind our main midfield warriors from the past 4-5 seasons. I think we need to start addressing it now for the future. You can never have too much midfield depth but still it's no easy task to get the balance right.
Agree with all that. We've had so few chances in recent years to draft a gun mid, I just hope we take the chance this year.
 
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Got no problem with us taking Gibcus at 9. Good player and if the club ranks him ahead of Hobbs, fair enough. But, unless we trade up and think Johnson or Erasmus is gettable, it’s gonna leave us with an unfulfilled need around a contested ball winning mid. Sonsie isn’t that. Others around the 17 mark aren’t really either. Goater or Sinn ? Not sure.

Is that why we may be trading back ? Do we have someone like MacDonald in mind ? Do we think others in the 30’s can help eg Sheldrick and co ?

Fascinating Draft.
McDonald can do the job and he aren't far off from Hobbs underrated.
 
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who's the conca, lennon and corey ellis of this draft that could potentially ruin the party?
 
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I’m not entirely convinced that we’re as bereft of inside ball winning ability as many think. Although we did make our name as kind of coalface counterpunchers, I recall us flicking a switch late in 2020 and suddenly becoming a contested ball midfield (or was it 2019?). We dished out a couple of late season contested spankings and sailed through the finals on the back of this. Anyone else recall this?
This year Prestia, Lambert, Edwards and Nankervis all copped multuple medium term injuries. That is, they were out for 4-8 weeks, came back for a while, then went back out for 4-8. Tough to get much output in those circumstances, even in the games they did play. Cotchin carried a knee and missed a few games as well. Martin missed the last quarter of the season, and Soldo rehabbed a reco. Fridge Graham was runner up in the B & F on the back of 19 touches a game because he was The Only Mid Standing. Plug the corresponding mids/rucks of any team into that kind of injury mess and you aint winning many inside contests.
The caveat is the possibilty that our first-string mids are permanently banged up, and the fact that our mid depth has been a bit skinny all the way through.
The upshot is that I’m just not sure about throwing a high pick at Hobbs, or stacking our list with mid-draft tractors to address a need that might just be addressed with a half-decent injury run and a desire to actually play that way.
Here are Richmond's top 10 2021 CENTRE Clearance winners:

RankNameGamesAverage
1​
9​
2.11​
1​
9​
2.11​
3​
16​
1.88​
4​
17​
1.71​
5​
20​
1.60​
6​
16​
1.50​
7​
16​
1.38​
8​
8​
0.75​
9​
22​
0.68​
10​
11​

Top 10 Clearance winners:

RankNameGamesAverage
1​
16​
4.31​
2​
9​
4.22​
3​
17​
4.00​
4​
16​
3.56​
5​
20​
3.55​
6​
9​
3.33​
7​
16​
2.94​
8​
10​
2.10​
9​
22​
1.77​
10​
6​
1.50​



Also our top 10 Contested possession winners :

RankNameGamesAverage
1​
16​
10.31​
2​
16​
9.44​
3​
17​
9.41​
4​
9​
9.11​
5​
20​
8.40​
6​
22​
8.09​
7​
18​
7.67​
8​
16​
7.06​
9​
9​
6.33​
10​
18​
6.28​
 
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Here are Richmond's top 10 2021 CENTRE Clearance winners:

RankNameGamesAverage
1​
9​
2.11​
1​
9​
2.11​
3​
16​
1.88​
4​
17​
1.71​
5​
20​
1.60​
6​
16​
1.50​
7​
16​
1.38​
8​
8​
0.75​
9​
22​
0.68​
10​
11​

Also our top 10 Contested possession winners :

RankNameGamesAverage
1​
16​
10.31​
2​
16​
9.44​
3​
17​
9.41​
4​
9​
9.11​
5​
20​
8.40​
6​
22​
8.09​
7​
18​
7.67​
8​
16​
7.06​
9​
9​
6.33​
10​
18​
6.28​
LOL RCD doing this in what 65% game time. He's a ripper.
 
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I am all for picking best available, at every pick, but I do hope the best available at one of our picks is a tall (but not a ruck)- whether that is Gibcus or Andrew first up, or a Bazzo or Williams or some else down the order.

And i reckon this year is one of the few times we will ne cagey about our first pick- Amiss get mentioned a lot. there is a good chance that is to "encourage" freo to take him before our pick.
 
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It was late 2020 TJ. We completely turned it around in the last 3 finals against Saints, Port and Cats and smashed them in clearances and contested ball.

You make some fair points about personnel availability but my concern is that the personnel has been to the well many times and may not be able to get back. All of those older players you mention are champions of the club but none are at their peak any longer with the possible exception of Dusty who is coming off a serious injury. Prestia is very injury prone now and struggles to get on the park, Cotch, Sheds and Lambo are all the other side of 30; Dusty is as well. They all have the ability to still be strong contributors but can they match it with the Melbourne midfield? Even the Dogs? What we have seen in the past 2 finals series is that contested ball and winning clearances is key to winning the games. A fit Nank and Soldo will also help but there are question marks on both of these guys as well.

But we do need KPPs as well and I can appreciate the interest in Gibcus. I'm just not sure about the quality of the youngsters coming behind our main midfield warriors from the past 4-5 seasons. I think we need to start addressing it now for the future. You can never have too much midfield depth but still it's no easy task to get the balance right.
Points well made, Ridley. I agree that we need to regenerate an ageing midfield - and there's plenty of mids in this crop - but my main concern is over spending on inside mids, specifically. I don't want to use a top ten pick on Sam Powell-Pepper. The spectre of the man-child looms large with Hobbs, so I'm cooling a little on him, even with his declared Tiger love. I can't think of a lot of true inside mids with a good dose of stodge who command high picks. Wines and Selwood are the only ones that come to mind, although early Selwood wasn't exactly stodgy.
 
I trust our recruiting team. No worries here.

Would be thrilled to get another club's future first rounder, too.

It's natural to want to keep your picks on draft night, especially in the first round, so we'd be getting overs from tempted clubs if we did. We've already taken a smart position going into the draft, so whatever comes out of tonight, I won't be complaining.
 
Don’t want Gibcus. Would be a conservative pick considering our backline is well appointed.

A mid or that tall forward please.
 
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Pending no trades, is it actually 100% certain we will take Gibcus over a Hobbs or a Ward in the very slight chance he may be there ?

Probably will be but it’s not a complete shoe in I don’t think, especially if we don’t end up making any trades.
 
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