Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?
Mate if he is there take him, no one else worth noting in the PSD
Mate if he is there take him, no one else worth noting in the PSD
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Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?
Yeah and he could do what he did with Danie Kerr and personally train him up to be one of the best onballers in the league.
hopper said:
Yeah and he could do what he did with Danie Kerr and personally train him up to be one of the best onballers in the league.
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Aka may have been just a pain in the ass 74,
However, he was running his mouth off at his coach, teamates & sundry during his tenure.
Not once from this disciplined club was he sanctioned whilst they were winning......
Tiger74 said:
Aka may have been just a pain in the ass 74,
However, he was running his mouth off at his coach, teamates & sundry during his tenure.
Not once from this disciplined club was he sanctioned whilst they were winning......
Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?
Good to see the common sense response charging to the lead. Andrew Krakouer has far less right to play then Cousins if you want to use the seriousness of strife with the law as the basis from stopping him playing.
Get Cousins.
Good to see the common sense response charging to the lead. Andrew Krakouer has far less right to play then Cousins if you want to use the seriousness of strife with the law as the basis from stopping him playing.
Get Cousins.
Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?
I say yes a change of club & state would do him good he is a freak could play another 5 years with his level of fitness work rate alone would set an example to the kids so long as his off field is sorted tell me the Pies, Bombers etc wouldn't take him we are a young side that needs a little bit of classy experience!!
I say yes a change of club & state would do him good he is a freak could play another 5 years with his level of fitness work rate alone would set an example to the kids so long as his off field is sorted tell me the Pies, Bombers etc wouldn't take him we are a young side that needs a little bit of classy experience!!
Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?
I'd take a punt on him, like know what our players would think.
I'd take a punt on him, like know what our players would think.
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The sponsors are dropping off West Coast, the playing group is fractured and the brand has been tarnished.
It's great to say that they won a premiership but the downside will be the next couple of years. Their is a lot more to come from this saga and when the story comes out the club may well be in disgrace. The police have had enough of Cousins antics and the clubs lack of censure for the players to the players who were picked up on phone taps has upset them.
As I,ve said before nobody has ever been able to bring Ben Cousins to heel.
The sponsors are dropping off West Coast, the playing group is fractured and the brand has been tarnished.
It's great to say that they won a premiership but the downside will be the next couple of years. Their is a lot more to come from this saga and when the story comes out the club may well be in disgrace. The police have had enough of Cousins antics and the clubs lack of censure for the players to the players who were picked up on phone taps has upset them.
As I,ve said before nobody has ever been able to bring Ben Cousins to heel.
Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?
Let's see, a relapsed junkie, with a scandalous history of associating with shady characters and getting in trouble with the police?
Oh Richmonds sponsors would love that!!!
Why don't we make him captain whilst we're at it?
One of the reasons that the Weagles let him go was corporate heat...he was damaging the Eagle brand and all those associated with it.
So in sheer desperation for short term gain (and regardless of what some are arguing here by the time he is 'clean' he will be no spring chicken) some are willing to risk him.
Frankly this is someone that inspires no confidence. He appears to love playing with the underworld and what comes with it - it excites him, and he has no sense of responsibility. The bottom-line is could you trust him both as an addict and as a person to stay clean, to respect curfews, to keep away from bad elements and to keep his word?
Frankly there is nothing up to this point that would incline one to believe any of it. You might get some good games out of him - but what happens if he get's caught doing drugs again, or God forbid overdoses, or even dies (think his friend Chris Mainwaring!). What would it do to the Richmond brand name, how stupid and irresponsible would the club look, and how would the sponsors react? (and how would it affect our ability to gain additional sponsors?).
For those thinking because it might only cost Richmond a PSD or late draft pick it's a risk free gamble - think again - drafting Cousins would have potential disaster written all over it.
Let's see, a relapsed junkie, with a scandalous history of associating with shady characters and getting in trouble with the police?
Oh Richmonds sponsors would love that!!!
Why don't we make him captain whilst we're at it?
One of the reasons that the Weagles let him go was corporate heat...he was damaging the Eagle brand and all those associated with it.
So in sheer desperation for short term gain (and regardless of what some are arguing here by the time he is 'clean' he will be no spring chicken) some are willing to risk him.
Frankly this is someone that inspires no confidence. He appears to love playing with the underworld and what comes with it - it excites him, and he has no sense of responsibility. The bottom-line is could you trust him both as an addict and as a person to stay clean, to respect curfews, to keep away from bad elements and to keep his word?
Frankly there is nothing up to this point that would incline one to believe any of it. You might get some good games out of him - but what happens if he get's caught doing drugs again, or God forbid overdoses, or even dies (think his friend Chris Mainwaring!). What would it do to the Richmond brand name, how stupid and irresponsible would the club look, and how would the sponsors react? (and how would it affect our ability to gain additional sponsors?).
For those thinking because it might only cost Richmond a PSD or late draft pick it's a risk free gamble - think again - drafting Cousins would have potential disaster written all over it.
Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?
For me, this is a no brainer. Unless there is a player out of contract that we don't know about that can be picked up with the first pick in the PSD, we are currently left to pick form guys like Bradley, Richards, Hadrill etc. Bradley is young, but has no form. Richards is not so young, and has VERY mimimal upside. Hadrill is around 27 I think, so no spring chicken. Ryan Ferguson, 26, no form. It's basically a crapshoot with the chances being you will end up with a fringe player who plays a few games and has minimal impact.
The other side of the coin - Ben Cousins. Depending on what the AFL does, maybe you can get him in the PSD. (Would he be available in the regular draft? That may complicate things). If not, we have the chance to pick up a premier onballer, who could possibly give 4 years of very good service to the club. Sure, he could go and blow his career by doing something stupid again, or maybe he just won't perform. What have you lost? Not much. He is the ONLY guy that has massive upside who may be available. The decision is easy. If he is available, and can be had on reasonable terms (an incentive based contract including performance AND behaviour clauses), he has to be taken if the chance presents itself.
For me, this is a no brainer. Unless there is a player out of contract that we don't know about that can be picked up with the first pick in the PSD, we are currently left to pick form guys like Bradley, Richards, Hadrill etc. Bradley is young, but has no form. Richards is not so young, and has VERY mimimal upside. Hadrill is around 27 I think, so no spring chicken. Ryan Ferguson, 26, no form. It's basically a crapshoot with the chances being you will end up with a fringe player who plays a few games and has minimal impact.
The other side of the coin - Ben Cousins. Depending on what the AFL does, maybe you can get him in the PSD. (Would he be available in the regular draft? That may complicate things). If not, we have the chance to pick up a premier onballer, who could possibly give 4 years of very good service to the club. Sure, he could go and blow his career by doing something stupid again, or maybe he just won't perform. What have you lost? Not much. He is the ONLY guy that has massive upside who may be available. The decision is easy. If he is available, and can be had on reasonable terms (an incentive based contract including performance AND behaviour clauses), he has to be taken if the chance presents itself.
Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?
Great post.
Of course you are correct about the sponsors. I sure wouldn't be pouring my money in waiting for an accident to happen in light of what's happened in the West.
All the results of this poll suggest to me is that some are desperate for a skeric of success regardless of the consequences.
Tygrys said:
Great post.
Of course you are correct about the sponsors. I sure wouldn't be pouring my money in waiting for an accident to happen in light of what's happened in the West.
All the results of this poll suggest to me is that some are desperate for a skeric of success regardless of the consequences.
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From the age:
Collingwood, Carlton, Geelong, Brisbane and Melbourne have all ruled out considering the troubled footballer, while Richmond, which has the first pick in the pre-season draft, did not respond to The Age last night.
There was speculation the Tigers would look at placing Cousins on the long-term injury list for 2008 with a view to playing him in 2009.
Given a choice between Guy Richards and getting a 30 y.o Benny in '09..... I'll take Benny
From the age:
Collingwood, Carlton, Geelong, Brisbane and Melbourne have all ruled out considering the troubled footballer, while Richmond, which has the first pick in the pre-season draft, did not respond to The Age last night.
There was speculation the Tigers would look at placing Cousins on the long-term injury list for 2008 with a view to playing him in 2009.
Given a choice between Guy Richards and getting a 30 y.o Benny in '09..... I'll take Benny
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Couldn't agree more Redford, that is my point as well. Never been called a do-gooder in my life, because I don't want a risk at the club I love I am a do-gooder? I think some on here need to think about the names they throw around at other FELLOW supporters a bit before they post...what a silly comment. There is nothing good or noble or judgemental on a moral level about me not wanting cousins at RFC.
It's simply a case of champion teams are built over time, when are we going to learn that quick fixes and patches don't work?
Redford said:
Couldn't agree more Redford, that is my point as well. Never been called a do-gooder in my life, because I don't want a risk at the club I love I am a do-gooder? I think some on here need to think about the names they throw around at other FELLOW supporters a bit before they post...what a silly comment. There is nothing good or noble or judgemental on a moral level about me not wanting cousins at RFC.
It's simply a case of champion teams are built over time, when are we going to learn that quick fixes and patches don't work?
Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?
This is where I think you're wrong. If Cousins arrived in the off season, played some good footy in the first part of the year but then fell off the wagon, I don't think this would reflect badly on the club. Cousins having a dodgy past doesn't mean the Richmond Football Club has a dodgy past and him returning to his old ways would reflect badly on him, rather than on us - it would confirm him as a truly lost soul who is almost beyond help.
I think Richmond would be seen as a club that were willing to give him a second chance at playing football but that he was unable to make a go of it. His 'relapse' would not all of a sudden become our fault and as long as we have the relevant support structures within the playing group for our kids, then there is no reason to think they would follow in his footsteps. As I said earlier, I think we do - March, Wright, Miller and Wallace off-field, along with senior players Richo, Brown, Simmonds, Johnson, JBo etc on-field.
Tygrys said:
This is where I think you're wrong. If Cousins arrived in the off season, played some good footy in the first part of the year but then fell off the wagon, I don't think this would reflect badly on the club. Cousins having a dodgy past doesn't mean the Richmond Football Club has a dodgy past and him returning to his old ways would reflect badly on him, rather than on us - it would confirm him as a truly lost soul who is almost beyond help.
I think Richmond would be seen as a club that were willing to give him a second chance at playing football but that he was unable to make a go of it. His 'relapse' would not all of a sudden become our fault and as long as we have the relevant support structures within the playing group for our kids, then there is no reason to think they would follow in his footsteps. As I said earlier, I think we do - March, Wright, Miller and Wallace off-field, along with senior players Richo, Brown, Simmonds, Johnson, JBo etc on-field.
Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?
If we don't pick him other clubs will no doubt & Kingsley was about the same age as was Mark Graham & Leon Cameron we we picked them not the baggage but not the freakish footballer either!!
If we don't pick him other clubs will no doubt & Kingsley was about the same age as was Mark Graham & Leon Cameron we we picked them not the baggage but not the freakish footballer either!!
Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?
Actually I think we have been last twice and 9th for the other 26 years. Ben could be just the tonic to edge us back into that 9th spot for another 3 years, and then we can celebrate another decade of mediocrity.
Just the sort of impatience that has kept this club around the middle of the ladder for so long, and as much as Hawthorn and now Carlton have taken different paths to Richmond in the last few years, let's see who is laughing come finals time next year. My money won't be on Richmond.
Keep the faith, vote no, rebuild, rebuild, rebuild.
rinso17 said:
Actually I think we have been last twice and 9th for the other 26 years. Ben could be just the tonic to edge us back into that 9th spot for another 3 years, and then we can celebrate another decade of mediocrity.
Just the sort of impatience that has kept this club around the middle of the ladder for so long, and as much as Hawthorn and now Carlton have taken different paths to Richmond in the last few years, let's see who is laughing come finals time next year. My money won't be on Richmond.
Keep the faith, vote no, rebuild, rebuild, rebuild.
